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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <FONT color=#ff0000>First of all, I wasn't
posting my emails on V2020. I was just sending them to you.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> ??? Then why is Vision 2020 CCed in every one
of the posts, including this one, that I've responded to?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>><FONT color=#ff0000>I'm thinking that everyone
is tired of our arguments. Let's stop the on-line junk, please.</FONT>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Again ??? Perhaps that's why I suggested it in my
very first response to you in this most recent cycle of
acrimony.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>><FONT color=#ff0000>If you want to persist with
this discussion from now on, just deal with me directly and don't bother the
others with it.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lord knows I'd be happy to never interact with you
again ever but, if you are going to hurl demonstrably false accusations on a
public list serve I feel compelled to respond and set the record straight.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <FONT color=#ff0000>Second, you have the wrong
quote. Here is the right one, where you give a long, detailed <BR><FONT
color=#000000>></FONT> explanation about why it is that you call me "Mr.
Campbell" </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I fail to see how this response is much different
(or all that long or detailed for that matter) then the one I gave to
Sunil. From the post to Donovan you referenced:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>" Titles are a matter of respect and I use
them (when I'm aware of them) in formal introductions where appropriate
<U>and</U> mostly as a matter of course with MD's and PhD's that I have some
regard for."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jeff is a PhD that I have both respect and high
regard for. The same can not be said for you. No "lies" here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>><FONT color=#ff0000>Roger Falen, for one,
seemed to think that you were serious here, so you owe him an
apology.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was serious and I see Roger with some frequency.
If he feels that some sort of apology is in order I'm sure he will let me know.
I'm quite sure that our relationship has not been altered by any of your
earth shattering revelations however.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me that the only thing you got
right in this post is that most everyone on this list is likely to be tired of
this foolishness. If you would like to wind this up with one of
your cathartic "Crabtree is a jackass" rants, I'll be cool with that and
let you have the last word and end this idiocy but, if you continue trying to
insist that I've said something or done something that I haven't, I'll be forced
to point out your ongoing error.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Jeff
Harkins" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:50
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Hits Just keep On
Coming . . .</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Gary,<BR>> <BR>> First of all, I wasn't posting my emails on
V2020. I was just sending them to you. I'm thinking that <BR>> everyone is
tired of our arguments. Let's stop the on-line junk, please. If you want to
persist<BR>> with this discussion from now on, just deal with me directly and
don't bother the others with it.<BR>> <BR>> Second, you have the wrong
quote. Here is the right one, where you give a long, detailed <BR>>
explanation about why it is that you call me "Mr. Campbell" to Donovan Arnold.
Roger Falen, for <BR>> one, seemed to think that you were serious here, so
you owe him an apology.<BR>> <BR>> g. crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
<BR>> Sat Oct 27 14:42:17 PDT 2007<BR>> <BR>> Previous message:
[Vision2020] Sub-minimum wage<BR>> Next message: [Vision2020] Sub-minimum
wage<BR>> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author
]<BR>> <BR>> Mr. Arnold,<BR>> <BR>> Please allow me to fill you in
on why I refer to most folks as Mr. or Ms. I was brought up to refer to
strangers as Mr. Mrs. & Miss and it's a habit I retain. First names are
reserved for informal chat with people I have been introduced to, and/or people
have a minimally cordial relationship with. This why I will often refer to you
as Donovan in our off line banter. I hope you don't mind.<BR>> <BR>>
Titles are a matter of respect and I use them (when I'm aware of them) in formal
introductions where appropriate and mostly as a matter of course with MD's and
PhD's that I have some regard for.<BR>> <BR>> I hope this clears up why I
refer to "Mr. Campbell" the way I do. I don't do it as an insult per se, I do it
because it's the only civil way I know of to refer to him.<BR>> <BR>>
g<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>> <BR>> ---- "g. crabtree"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>>> My goodness, I guess from your reply that your plan is to make
yourself too obnoxious to ignore. I assume that the "lie" you are referring to
comes from a response I posted to a question put to me by Sunil Ramalingam on
10/28/07 at 2:03 P.M. in which I said in part:<BR>>> <BR>>> "...I
reserve the prefix for MD's and introductions where using the term will convey
due respect and information in that context."<BR>>> <BR>>> Since I
was not sure if Mr. Schou was aware of Jeff's professional status and expertise
on the subject being discussed, I was in effect trying to introduce him and his
credentials using terms that convey respect and information, pretty much exactly
like I said in the post. Perhaps you should have gone back and made sure of what
it was I actually said. Once again you are proven wrong and it sort of looks
like the liar is you.<BR>>> <BR>>> Anyway, here we go again. I guess
it's time to restart the pool on how long it will take for you to stalk off in a
huff, swearing you'll never "discourse with me on any subject ever again," and
for how long you will sulk before slinking on back to the forum. (will the usual
interested parties please contact me off-list) Don't you ever get tired of this
ridiculously juvenile cycle?<BR>>> <BR>>> g<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joekc@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Cc: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Jeff
Harkins" <</FONT><A href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>> Sent:
Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:05 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And
the Hits Just keep On Coming . . .<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> >I
just wanted to point out that you are a liar. That is all. Previously you
claimed that you didn't use the label "Dr." for anyone other than medical
doctors. Something that your parents taught you. You lied. It is not a big deal
but folks should know.<BR>>> > <BR>>> > And I'll respond to
you whenever I wish. The fact that you are a jackass doesn't deter
me.<BR>>> > <BR>>> > --<BR>>> > Joe
Campbell<BR>>> > <BR>>> > ---- "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>>> >> I assume you mean Dr. Harkins and no, he is not a medical
doctor. He is <BR>>> >> someone for whom I have respect. A better
question would have to be why are <BR>>> >> you addressing comments
to me directly when we all know what the eventual <BR>>> >> outcome
of that all too familiar path? I really don't want to repeat the <BR>>>
>> cycle for what will have to be what, the fifth or sixth time? Hows
about I <BR>>> >> make you a deal. I won't respond to your comments
to the V and you ignore <BR>>> >> mine. You know that ultimately
you'll be a much happier camper if you do.<BR>>> >> <BR>>>
>> g<BR>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>>
>> From: <</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> To: "g. crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> Cc: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; "Jeff
<BR>>> >> Harkins" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 8:13 AM<BR>>> >> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] And the Hits Just keep On Coming . . .<BR>>> >>
<BR>>> >> <BR>>> >> > "Dr. Hawkins"? Is he a medical
doctor?<BR>>> >> > --<BR>>> >> > Joe
Campbell<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > ---- "g. crabtree"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> Is it your
contention that Dr. Harkins CPA, Professor Emeritus of the<BR>>>
>> >> University of Idaho Collage of Business, Department of
Accounting is <BR>>> >> >> unable<BR>>> >>
>> to read a small town budget report and has the facts all wrong? If so,
<BR>>> >> >> the<BR>>> >> >> appropriate
cites from the City of Wasilla records that you so carefully<BR>>>
>> >> checked out would be greatly appreciated.<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> Or, as is somewhat more likely given
previous discussions I have had with<BR>>> >> >> you on this
forum, did you lift the whole thing in its entirety from the<BR>>>
>> >> huffington post and throw that bit about primary sources in an
attempt to<BR>>> >> >> lend a semblance of authenticity and
credence to your argument?<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >>
>> If you are willing to fudge the facts "when what's at stake is
fifty<BR>>> >> >> people's opinion of the Republican vice
presidential candidate" are you<BR>>> >> >> willing to
prevaricate in front of twelve jurors when what's at stake is<BR>>>
>> >> your version of justice? Are you willing to tweak the evidence
to have <BR>>> >> >> the<BR>>> >> >> court
see things your way? Massage the truth to get one lonely judge to <BR>>>
>> >> buy<BR>>> >> >> in to your way of thinking?
If so, I see a bright future ahead for you in<BR>>> >> >> the
legal community, God help us all.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> g<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>>
>> >> From: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >> To: "Jeff Harkins" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>>
>> >> Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008
1:17 AM<BR>>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] And the Hits
Just keep On Coming . . .<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> > Jeff --<BR>>> >>
>> ><BR>>> >> >> > What you're saying is that
"yes, what you're saying is true true" but<BR>>> >> >> >
also that "yes, I also plan to smear you."<BR>>> >> >>
><BR>>> >> >> > So, let's start with the smears and
implicit threats. Really, Doc<BR>>> >> >> > Harkins? You
plan on reporting me to the Dean of Students? Over the<BR>>> >>
>> > fact that I had been pointed in the right direction to find
primary<BR>>> >> >> > resources? Look, I'm not apparently
not so so good at this -- could<BR>>> >> >> > you get me
the ABA citation rules for writing a bibliography for an<BR>>> >>
>> > email argument?<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>>
>> >> > So, why don't you just do that, Doc. The appropriate
person to contact<BR>>> >> >> > would be Richard Seamon.
</FONT><A href="mailto:Richard@uidaho.edu"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Richard@uidaho.edu</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>. Why don't you see
how it<BR>>> >> >> > turns out. I'd certainly be
interested. It's certainly more than<BR>>> >> >> > slightly
ridiculous for a tenured academic to tilt at this particular<BR>>>
>> >> > windmill, when what's at stake is fifty people's opinion
of the<BR>>> >> >> > Republican vice presidential
candidate.<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >> >> >
Having disposed of that, let's go back to the beginning. I started
out<BR>>> >> >> > by reading Tom's post, though I'd been
aware of the issue for a while<BR>>> >> >> > before. I
think I first read about it on the American Prospect's blog.<BR>>>
>> >> > Later the same day, though only incidentally, I read
about the same<BR>>> >> >> > issue on the Washington
Monthly's blog -- there's a Hilzoy post there<BR>>> >> >> >
and on Obsidian Wings. In the comments section in (I'm relatively<BR>>>
>> >> > sure) one of the two places, someone had dropped in a
link to the<BR>>> >> >> > Document Center and cut+paste and
page numbers from the .pdfs, as well<BR>>> >> >> > as Mayor
Palin's signature line. I double-checked the '98 and '95<BR>>> >>
>> > reports in order to confirm that I wasn't being fed a line of BS.
You<BR>>> >> >> > too can double-check the '98 line item on
page 65; that's the one I<BR>>> >> >> > still have on my
desktop.<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >> >> >
In other words, yes, I knew page numbers from the very beginning,
and<BR>>> >> >> > from secondary sources. I neither scooped
nor claimed to scoop anyone.<BR>>> >> >> > If the
confession you're looking for is that I did not troll through<BR>>>
>> >> > 300 pages of financial disclosures in order to write a
three-paragraph<BR>>> >> >> > response, I can only respond
that there is a difference between due<BR>>> >> >> >
diligence in checking your facts and obsessive-compulsive disorder.<BR>>>
>> >> ><BR>>> >> >> > -- ACS<BR>>>
>> >> ><BR>>> >> >> > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008
at 10:00 PM, Jeff Harkins <</FONT><A href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
<BR>>> >> >> > wrote:<BR>>> >> >>
>> Yes, the internet is a wonderful research tool. And I certainly
agree<BR>>> >> >> >> with<BR>>> >> >>
>> using the primary sources - avoids the problem of bias in
summarized<BR>>> >> >> >> digests<BR>>> >>
>> >> of info. It also alleviates all those messy
citations.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>> >> >>
>> So, I had no problem getting to the Document Central and in
particular<BR>>> >> >> >> the<BR>>> >>
>> >> historical operating and capital budgets as well as the
audited<BR>>> >> >> >> financial<BR>>> >>
>> >> statements. But I was somewhat skeptical when I began to
review the<BR>>> >> >> >> budgets<BR>>> >>
>> >> and, as would be normal, the budgets were all summarized by
function - <BR>>> >> >> >> so<BR>>> >>
>> >> I<BR>>> >> >> >> could pick out the
Police budget, but not the detailed expenditures.<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> Same story for the Audited
Financial Statements. They were all there,<BR>>> >> >>
>> but<BR>>> >> >> >> it would have been
surprising for the financials to be reporting<BR>>> >> >>
>> expenditures at the sub-object level. The details of expenditures
<BR>>> >> >> >> were<BR>>> >> >>
>> not<BR>>> >> >> >> there.<BR>>> >>
>> >><BR>>> >> >> >> Then it hit me - how
did you obtain all those names and details from<BR>>> >> >>
>> financial reports?<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> so - a few nanoseconds on Google and up pops an
article on the <BR>>> >> >> >> Huffington<BR>>>
>> >> >> Post.<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> Below is an excerpt from the
story by<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>> >> >>
>> Jacob Alperin-Sheriff<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> and here is the full
citation:<BR>>> >> >> >> </FONT><A
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> >> >> >> However, I was able to
eventually track down Irl Stambaugh, police <BR>>> >> >>
>> chief<BR>>> >> >> >> of<BR>>> >>
>> >> Wasilla from the founding of the department until Sarah Palin
fired <BR>>> >> >> >> him<BR>>> >> >>
>> for<BR>>> >> >> >> "not fully supporting her
efforts to govern." Stambaugh sued for <BR>>> >> >> >>
breach<BR>>> >> >> >> of<BR>>> >> >>
>> contract, but lost when a federal judge ruled that "police chiefs
<BR>>> >> >> >> serve<BR>>> >> >>
>> at<BR>>> >> >> >> the behest of the mayor
unless otherwise specified." He later served <BR>>> >> >>
>> as<BR>>> >> >> >> the<BR>>> >>
>> >> executive director of the Alaska Police Standards
Council.<BR>>> >> >> >> It turns out that Wasilla did
not bill sexual assault victims for the<BR>>> >> >> >>
cost<BR>>> >> >> >> of rape exams while Irl Stambaugh
was chief of police. As chief, he <BR>>> >> >> >>
had<BR>>> >> >> >> included a line item in the budget to
pay for the cost of such exams. <BR>>> >> >> >>
He<BR>>> >> >> >> had<BR>>> >> >>
>> only just heard about the Mayor Palin/Chief Fannon policy today, and
<BR>>> >> >> >> was<BR>>> >> >>
>> just as shocked to hear about it as I was.<BR>>> >>
>> >> Checking the budget confirmed former Chief Stambaugh's claim.
He had<BR>>> >> >> >> included a contingency of $15,000
in his budget for the department's <BR>>> >> >> >>
1st<BR>>> >> >> >> year of existence (1993-1994), $5,000
for 1994-1995 and 1995-1996, and<BR>>> >> >> >> $13,000
for his final year as police chief in 1996-1997, spending<BR>>> >>
>> >> $11,625.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> Duwayne Charles Fannon, his replacement, halved the
budget request in<BR>>> >> >> >> 1997-1998, with a
request of $7,298, spending $3,454. However, it <BR>>> >> >>
>> seems<BR>>> >> >> >> he<BR>>> >>
>> >> began the "victim pays" policy in the 1998-1999 fiscal year.
That <BR>>> >> >> >> year,<BR>>> >> >>
>> he<BR>>> >> >> >> requested $3,000 but spent
only $205. This data can be found in the<BR>>> >> >> >>
Document<BR>>> >> >> >> Central section of Wasilla's
website. I am to understand that you are<BR>>> >> >> >>
studying law (first year?). You have some explaining to do.<BR>>>
>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> >> You stated
that you obtained information from a primary source. That<BR>>>
>> >> >> does<BR>>> >> >> >> not
appear to be substantiated by the facts.<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> It does appear that you
plagiarized the material and you <BR>>> >> >> >>
misrepresented<BR>>> >> >> >> the<BR>>> >>
>> >> basis for your report (that is, at best, disingenuous and, at
worst, a<BR>>> >> >> >> gross<BR>>> >>
>> >> misrepresentation or lie). Perhaps you have an
explanation that I <BR>>> >> >> >> have<BR>>>
>> >> >> overlooked something.<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> I have no interest in any
further dialogue with you. But, I would <BR>>> >> >>
>> hope<BR>>> >> >> >> that, should my rationale
be correct, you have enough honor to <BR>>> >> >> >>
apologize<BR>>> >> >> >> to<BR>>> >>
>> >> all the posters on the viz and, if you are indeed a law
student, that <BR>>> >> >> >> you<BR>>> >>
>> >> report your actions to the Dean of the Law School. Remember,
this is a<BR>>> >> >> >> public forum so your comments
will remain in perpetuity.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> This has been a great disappointment!<BR>>>
>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> >> At 06:38 PM
9/12/2008, you wrote:<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Harkins
<</FONT><A href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jeffh@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>>>
>> >> >> wrote:<BR>>> >> >> >>>
Because you don't know the context of Wasilla and it residents, hence
<BR>>> >> >> >>> a<BR>>> >> >>
>>> potential for bias on your part. And no, Palin, as Mayor,
could not<BR>>> >> >> >>> dictate<BR>>>
>> >> >>> a budget policy - that can only be done by the
Council.<BR>>> >> >> >>><BR>>> >>
>> >>> Read the statute for municipal government in AK. By
the way, for the<BR>>> >> >> >>> most<BR>>>
>> >> >>> part, Idaho municipalities are subject to the
same laws.<BR>>> >> >> >>><BR>>> >>
>> >>> Both states require public oversight of budget creation
and budget<BR>>> >> >> >>>
implementation.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>> >>
>> >> Jeff --<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> We live in the era of the Internet.<BR>>>
>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> >> So let's just
move past all the secondary sources and take a look at<BR>>> >>
>> >> primary sources, shall we? The City of Wasilla has kindly
published<BR>>> >> >> >> all of its budgets for the
years when Sarah Palin was governor, so we<BR>>> >> >>
>> can all see what happened. In the '93-'94 fiscal year, Irl
Stambaugh<BR>>> >> >> >> requested (and received) a
$15,000 contingency line item for sexual<BR>>> >> >> >>
assault exams, a $5,000 contingency line item for the '94-'95 fiscal<BR>>>
>> >> >> year, and a $13,000 contingency line item for the
'95-'96 fiscal year.<BR>>> >> >> >> He spent around
$10,000 of that money over the three years (if you're<BR>>> >>
>> >> interested, again, you can total it up).<BR>>> >>
>> >><BR>>> >> >> >> Then Sarah Palin fired
him.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>> >> >>
>> The new police chief halved the line item request, to $7,298,
and<BR>>> >> >> >> spent around half of that. The
'victim pays' policy was instituted the<BR>>> >> >> >>
next year, under Sarah Palin's watch, and only $205 of the $3,000<BR>>>
>> >> >> allocated was spent on sexual assault exams--though
I'm not quite sure<BR>>> >> >> >> what that $205 was
spent on, as it's not enough to cover the cost of a<BR>>> >>
>> >> whole sexual assault exam. That same year, the law was enacted
to<BR>>> >> >> >> prevent Wasilla--the only municipality
in Alaska to have that<BR>>> >> >> >> policy--from
continuing as it had. (Incidentally, that policy<BR>>> >> >>
>> endangered statewide VAWA funding.)<BR>>> >> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> >> The facts essentially go like
this: Sarah Palin fires the old police<BR>>> >> >> >>
chief and hires a hand-selected new police chief. That new police<BR>>>
>> >> >> chief requests a rape-exam line item, and continues
to request rape<BR>>> >> >> >> exam line items
throughout his career. However, despite the money<BR>>> >> >>
>> being allocated, the new police chief refuses to spend it. The
issue<BR>>> >> >> >> in Wasilla is sufficiently bad that
it alerts the legislature, which<BR>>> >> >> >> starts
to pass a law to prevent Wasilla to continue with its policy;<BR>>>
>> >> >> furthermore, the issue is raised in statewide media.
If Palin was not<BR>>> >> >> >> aware of her handpicked
police chief's policy--a policy which was on<BR>>> >> >>
>> her desk as a specific budget line item, the subject of
statewide<BR>>> >> >> >> legislation, and the subject of
statewide media coverage--then she is<BR>>> >> >> >>
merely an incompetent executive, rather than a heartless supporter
of<BR>>> >> >> >> 'a la carte' law
enforcement.<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>> >>
>> >> -- ACS<BR>>> >> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> >> * Anyone who's interested in trolling through budgets
to confirm what<BR>>> >> >> >> I said can find those
budgets here:<BR>>> >> >> >> </FONT><A
href="http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>. If only Moscow had<BR>>> >> >> >>
something similar.<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >>
>> >
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>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>>
>> >> > serving the communities of the Palouse since
1994.<BR>>> >> >>
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>><BR>>> >> >>
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>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>>
>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since
1994.<BR>>> >>
>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.fsr.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.fsr.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>
>> >>
</FONT><A href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
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