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Why do you keep calling him Barry, Gary?<br><br>Sunil<br><br><hr>From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: starbliss@gmail.com; lfalen@turbonet.com<br>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:26:13 -0700<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church Speech: US Troops Sent To Do God'sWill<br><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Having listened to Mrs. Palin's speech and having
read the transcript, it's clear that you are missing the point she was trying to
make entirely. In no way did she say that "our leaders were sending our
troops to do God's will." What she actually said was:</font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"> </font><div><font size="2" face="Arial">"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is
right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are
sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God, That's what we have to
make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is
God's plan."</font></div>
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<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">What she was asking for was for her audience to pray for
our troops, our country, and that our leaders were making the right decisions by
sending our troops (U.S. soldiers) into harms way. (That there IS A PLAN and
that plan is God's plan) In other words on a task that is from God as opposed to
from fallen and fallible man.</font></div>
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<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">That this incredible amount of time and effort is being expended
throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Governor Palin in a desperate
effort to find some small thing with which to damage her doesn't speak very
highly of Barry's campaign. If she were truly the insignificant and corrupt
little mayor from Podunk that everyone on the left was making her out to be this
amount of noise would be quite unnecessary. That the libs can speak of nothing
else speaks volumes.</font></div>
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<div align="left"><font size="2" face="Arial">g</font></div>
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<a title="starbliss@gmail.com" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="lfalen@turbonet.com" href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:14
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] SarahPalin's Church
Speech: US Troops Sent To Do God'sWill</div>
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<div>Roger et. al.</div>
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<div>For those who have missed it, here again is a link to a YouTube video of
Sarah Palin's Wasilla, Alaska church speech, where she discusses our leaders
sending our troops to do "God's will:"</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&feature=related</a></div>
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<div>Roger, thanks for your response.</div>
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<div>We sometimes don't agree. But you have never resorted to
personal insults to undermine my posts.</div>
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<div>Republican Mitt Romney was governor of one of the most "liberal" and
Democratic states, Massachusetts, with a huge budget, which he was
instrumental in managing wisely. He is a smart
businessperson. He is far more qualified than Sarah Palin as McCain's VP
choice, but I wonder if he was even seriously considered. I would be
much happier with him as a Republican presidential candidate, for that matter,
than McCain. But I think his Mormon background was a major negative as a
candidate, which it should not have been. Yet witness Sarah Palin's
disturbing statements about US troops being sent to do "God's will," which do
not appear to be seriously negatively impacting her popularity. As if
"God" is in the business of waging war? This is scary thinking...</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett<br><br><span class="EC_gmail_quote">On 9/8/08, <b class="EC_gmail_sendername">lfalen</b> <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>>
wrote:</span></div>
<blockquote class="EC_gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Ted<br>You
have some good points here. You are probably right that someone who does not
belong to a mainstream religion would not be elected. As for me I don't care
what there religion is or if they have one. It is they basic philosophy and
and values that I am interested in.<br>Roger<br>-----Original
message-----<br>From: "Ted Moffett" <a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 07
Sep 2008 02:45:24 -0700<br>To: vision2020 <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject:
[Vision2020] Separation Of Church And State Marginalized: SarahPalin's
Church Speech<br><br>> Respect for the separation of church and state is
not an<br>> essential criteria that McCain considered when choosing a
vice presidential<br>> candidate, given Sarah Palin's explicit linking of
her religion and the<br>> goals of government. In fact, given
the realities of US politics at this<br>> time in history, any candidate
for president or vice president must<br>> announce, and back up by
action, they are a devout Christian, or they will<br>> have a limited
chance of election. Witness Obama's repeated insistence
he<br>> is not Muslim, his emphasis on his Christian faith, and the
attacks, by<br>> those wishing to undermine his campaign, that he has a
Muslim background.<br>><br>> Does anyone realistically think a Muslim,
Buddhist, Hindu, Wiccan, Atheist<br>> or Agnostic, would have a chance of
election as president? Mitt Romney is<br>> far more qualified
than McCain as CEO of the US, yet who doubts his Mormon<br>> heritage,
viewed by many Christians as questionably "Christian," was a<br>>
negative? Or that any presidential candidate would choose
someone<br>> representing those other spiritual orientations listed, as a
VP candidate?<br>> Certainly Obama's choice of devout Catholic Joe Biden
for VP supports this<br>> theory, though I trust Biden supports the
separation of church and state<br>> more than it appears Palin
does.<br>><br>> Religion dominates the US political
landscape. It is more prejudicial for a<br>> candidate for the
presidency or VP to be other than Christian as a religious<br>>
orientation, than it is for the candidate to be of a "racial" minority,
or<br>> of the female gender. * *<br>> **<br>> *I suppose this is
some sort of progress!*<br>><br>> Religion is a dominate form of
prejudice in politics. No, I am not offering<br>> exhaustive
research at this time to back up this claim... I have offered<br>>
exhaustive research to this list on other issues, and it is ignored
and<br>> mocked by those with an irrational bias. Nonetheless,
this claim appears to<br>> have merit. Why else does Karl Rove
tailor Republican strategy aimed at<br>> earning the Christian
evangelical vote, certainly a partial reason to choose<br>>
Palin?<br>><br>></blockquote>
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