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Interesting that Andreas mentions Doug Coe, leader of The Family, often called The Fellowship, a shadowy, pseudo evangelical powercenter operating throughout the world with a credo of "Jesus + nothing" that somehow uses the Savior as a means to draw out rich and powerful despots to accomplish GOP will.<br><br>I just traded a book, "The Family," into Bookpeople -- it's chilling, well-documented, and supports much of what Andreas says below.<br><br>Keely<br>http://keely-prevailingwinds.blogspot.com/<br><br><br>> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:59:02 -0700<br>> From: ophite@gmail.com<br>> To: jeffh@moscow.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 9/11<br>> <br>> > Throw out the barb - then duck the issue.<br>> > Here is a Wikipedia link to 911 conspiracy theories. You might find it<br>> > informative.<br>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories<br>> ><br>> >> > It is modern history and yet, already we have groups within our borders<br>> >> > which attempt to persuade us that 911 was a government conspiracy. '<br>> >><br>> >> Don't look at me. Look across the water in Minneapolis, at the Ron<br>> >> Paul paraconvention.<br>> ><br>> > Same old name calling - an example of your basic human decency?<br>> <br>> Jeff --<br>> <br>> I was unaware that the majority of Americans needed to be reminded<br>> that al-Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, or that those people would be<br>> impressed by a video displayed at the Republican National Convention<br>> during a presidential candidate's speech. There are Americans that<br>> deny the Holocaust. There are Americans deny that we landed on the<br>> moon.<br>> <br>> Those people weren't at the Democratic convention.<br>> <br>> Or, well, they were. But they were throwing bricks at us. Same guys<br>> showed up in St. Paul this year, too, plus the Paulites.<br>> <br>> >> > And the notion that political parties should not utilize video to engage<br>> >> > Americans<br>> >> > in a reminder of the event is naive at best.<br>> >><br>> >> The notion that a political party should not use a great American<br>> >> tragedy as a political cudgel is basic human decency, a concept about<br>> >> which your Torture Party seems to have entirely forgotten.<br>> >> Unfortunately, after the last six years, it appears to be naive to<br>> >> expect them not to.<br>> ><br>> > Oh, I was on the record for each of those things ... where were you?<br>> ><br>> >> > And your hypocrisy is so blatant - your "world view" is so skewed.<br>> >> > Where is<br>> >> > your "outrage" at the bilge spewed by Michael Moore. Why have you not<br>> >> > condemned MoveOn.org for their endorsement of his film during the 2004<br>> >> > presidential campaign.<br>> >><br>> >> Not this again. Here, let me give the 'condemn this!' game a try. Why<br>> >> haven't I ever heard you condemn the Watergate break-in? Isn't it a<br>> >> little suspicious that you've never said anything negative about the<br>> >> Holocaust? Where's your outrage at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?<br>> >><br>> >> Now, Jeff, why aren't you on the record saying anything bad about any<br>> >> of these things? Hint: it wasn't the topic of our conversation*.<br>> ><br>> > Given your feelings about the opening video for the RNC, it would perhaps<br>> > enlightening for you to view the Fahrenheit 911 movie and its role in the<br>> > 2004 elections.<br>> ><br>> > And if you are not a member of MoveOn.org, are you aware of it and its role<br>> > in advancing the candidacy of Barack Obama?<br>> <br>> Sure. Great. Are you aware of G. Gordon Liddy and his role in<br>> advancing the candidacy of John McCain? How about the role of Sun<br>> Myung Moon? Or, hell, Jack Abramoff? Doug Coe? Luis Posada? John<br>> Poindexter? The American Issues Project? There is a broad miscellany<br>> of cult leaders, smear artists, traitors, terrorists, and felons<br>> supporting the Republican party this year. As there is every year.<br>> <br>> You might notice that this list is composed of supporters whom McCain<br>> hasn't taken the time to condemn. This is, of course, because the<br>> country is divided roughly in half, and the parties representing each<br>> half pretty much divide the assholes between them. I'm not going to<br>> speak for the whole party (here's a name: Wen Ho Lee), but Obama has,<br>> for instance, cut off personal access to major donors to MoveOn. Has<br>> McCain done something similar for (let's say) the American Issues<br>> Project*?<br>> <br>> -- ACS<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now</a></body>
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