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Hi Roger,<br><br>
As usual you duck the most important question, which was why doesn't
plagiarism and infidelity disqualify McCain? What is good for
the Dem goose is also great for the GOP gander.<br><br>
You can be serious in claiming that Palin has more experience than
Obama. Twelve years teaching constitutional law at the University
of Chicago and rejecting a tenure track position so that he could commit
himself to public service. (Knowledge of the Constitution in the highest
office is sorely needed right now.) Eight years in the Illinois Senate
and a solid record, voting far more often than McCain, as a freshman
senator.<br><br>
Defending Palin as qualified to be V-P is grasping at straws. I'm
afraid, Roger, that you have indeed drunk the McCain/Palin
coolaid.<br><br>
Nick<br>
At 11:04 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Nick I dont agree with all of
Palin's positions, but then I dont agree any of them all the time. I
haven't drank the Kool aid of the anointed one or John McCain. On the
whole though your list sounds like pretty good credentials to me. As for
experience she has more of it than Obama and she is second on the ticket
not first. Roger -----Original message----- From: nickgier@adelphia.net
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:32:49 -0700 To: Tom Hansen thansen@moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sarah Palin > Greetings: > > Here are
some documented facts about Sarah Palin distributed this morning by
MoveOn.Org, followed by some comments from her fellow Alaskans. > >
Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background: > > She was
elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her
previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She
has no foreign policy experience.1 > > Palin is strongly
anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2 >
> She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in
2000. 3 > > Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public
schools.4 > > She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate
change.5 > > She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil
first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and
says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush
administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was
worried it woould interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6 > >
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a
meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about
being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7 > >
"She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who
has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and
international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person
taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could
potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international
scene that exists today." —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK > >
"She is VEERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a
hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and
again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for
several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has
NO experience beyond Alaska." —Christine B., Denali Park, AK >
> "As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this
announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she
claims to be." —Karen L., Anchorage, AK > > "Allaskans,
collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing
well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national
level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that.
She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated
on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and
nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P.
position."Sherry C., Anchorage, AK > > "She's vehemently
anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even
though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the
Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary." —Marina L.,, Juneau, AK
> > "I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this
position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't
done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have
worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been
better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and
insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote
by putting "A Woman" in that position."—Jennifer M.,
Anchorage, AK > > Sources: > > 1. "Sarah
Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin" eudora="autourl">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin</a> > > 2. "McCain
Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice
America, August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=1" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=1</a>
> > 3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29,
2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=2" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=2</a>
> > 4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage
Daily News, October 27, 2006 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=3" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=3</a>
> > 5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores
science," Huffington Poost, August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=4" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=4</a>
> > 6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy
Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=5" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=5</a>
> > "Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the
Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=6" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=6</a>
> > "Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil,
says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=7" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=7</a>
> > 7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC,
August 29, 2008 >
<a href="http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=8" eudora="autourl">
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-1604964-_zATRdx&t=8</a>
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