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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The
fact is the sign not only existed but was also crowed about by some GMA members
and other “conservatives” in the community, whether you like it or
not. And, whether you like it or not, the GMA people/person behind the
sign are a great example of the point I made in my email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
know it must be very distressing for you to have to live in the Real World
where facts are meaningful, so you go right ahead and keep living in your
fantasy World According to Crabtree. You remind me of a little boy who screws
his eyes shut, sticks his fingers in his ears, and shouts “LA LA LA
LA” at the top of his lungs when confronted with a reality you don’t
like.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And,
quite frankly, that’s why I don’t care to discuss things with
you. Your mind is more than closed and you don’t care to <b>discuss</b>
things – you just want to ridicule, insult, and disrespect those who don’t
agree with you rather than engage in meaningful discussion. I remember
when you first appeared on V2020: I was looking forward to your
participation and to exchanging thoughts and ideas. Unfortunately, it
didn’t take long for your true colors to show.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All
of that is a long way from where this started: Dan Carscallen resorted to
stereotyping Moscow’s progressives when one of them did something he
personally found offensive, and he came out swinging. It’s too bad
he doesn’t direct the same kind of ire towards behavior of his associates
that’s offensive to the other sides of the aisle, as I rightly pointed
out. Had I don’t something like what Carscallen did, you would have
been all over me in a New York minute: you know it, I know it, and so
does everyone who’s read your diatribes here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So,
you go right ahead and keep your undies in a wad about what those who disagree
with you say/write/do while continuing to bury your head in the sand to the less-than-neighborly
behavior of those with whom you identify. Be as rude and disrespectful as
you like to those with whom you disagree because you seem to thrive on being
divisive rather than constructive. You are nothing if not the King of the
Double Standard. You must be so proud.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And,
please keep responding in type – it’s so predictable and provides
high entertainment value!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 01, 2008 7:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; 'v2020'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So
that's it? A sign you "heard" about? That covers your silly claim of
"hatemongering, divisiveness, and name calling" that you claim you
hear from "Moscow's conservatives? Assuming that such a sign actually
existed, how many people do you think it might have been required to
create it? I'm guessing it would have been one. If your sign existed at all,
how come it doesn't fall into the same category as Bill's little rib tickler? I
know, I know. Conservative evil, progressive saintly. I think I'm going to be
ill.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Also
the quaint notion that I should have to do "homework" to bare out
your preposterous contentions is amusing to say the least. If you are going to
make a bold claim, back it up. Expecting me to research you petulant claim
is asking more of my time than your petty assertion is worth. Sorry.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>You
are correct in one respect. (finally, stopped clock syndrome i'm guessing) I am
not a member of any "in crowd." As has been famously
and frequently repeated in the past, any club that would admit the likes
of me is a club I want no part of. Unlike liberalism, being
conservative isn't about proving to your friends how cool and "with
it" you are.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ta,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net"
title="sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra Lund</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" title="jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</a>
; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">'v2020'</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Monday, September
01, 2008 6:30 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> RE: [Vision2020] God
supports Obama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You
can play dumb all you want, but I’m not buying it. Either
you’re being disingenuous or you’re simply not a member of the
“in” “conservative” crowd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If
your ignorance is genuine, why don’t you ask your pals about the sign
that was on Susan Wilson’s (GMA co-secretary) door the morning after the
election. Some “conservative” community members found it
hilarious, and a photo was passed around, complete with spelling errors.
It was quite the talk amongst some GMA members – even <b>I </b>heard
about it from a couple of GMA members who didn’t think it funny and
thought it typical of the divisiveness some of their “crowd” took
pride in and just plain bad sportsmanship. I can’t help it if
you were left out of the “fun.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So,
there’s just one example for you. In the future, do your own
homework because I’m not inclined to do it for you again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 01, 2008 5:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; 'Dan Carscallen'; 'v2020'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] God supports Obama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm curious
what it is you are talking about.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>"Perhaps
every time I see a conservative on the street – or in City Hall -- I
should ask if all Moscow’s “conservatives” agree with the
hatemongering & divisiveness & name calling – including that
which took place the day after our last city election – I hear from
Moscow’s “conservatives.”"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
seem to recall most of Moscow's conservative element being
moderately pleased with the out come of our last city election and recall
no hatemongering, divisiveness, or name calling on the day after. At least not
from our side. Perhaps you're recalling the buzz going round in the
coffeeklatch's where the incumbents were trying to shorten their faces and
regaling the faithful with mournful tales of what might have been? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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