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Roger,<br><br>Obviously you can think anything you like. But what has Obama said himself to support what you claim below? Nationalize oil? When did he say that? <br><br>Sunil<br><br>> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:28:25 -0700<br>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> To: starbliss@gmail.com<br>> CC: sunilramalingam@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even<br>> <br>> These are minor changes involving the free market. Obama wants a government reorganization. There is a considerable difference. I think he would try to nationalize Oil and probably other utilities if he thought he could get away with it.<br>> There is at least one Socialist in the Senate, that goes by that title. There are quite a few other that call themselves democrats. I doubt that any are Communists.<br>> Roger<br>> <br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: "Ted Moffett" starbliss@gmail.com<br>> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0700<br>> To: lfalen lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even<br>> <br>> > It's no secret the US energy economy will be restructured, eventually,<br>> > whether we want to or not. The days of oil as a primary transportation fuel<br>> > are limited. If we got the US off foreign oil, this would be a major<br>> > restructuring. The problematic relationship with Saudi Arabia would be<br>> > dramatically altered, perhaps in the best interests of the US and the Middle<br>> > East. And I mean involving the close to a trillion dollars the Saudis have<br>> > invested in the US economy (gee, I wonder if this influences US foreign<br>> > policy?).<br>> > <br>> > It can happen greatly via the private sector (though no doubt some corporate<br>> > interests will resist), so I don't know why Roger makes this comment by<br>> > Obama (if this is what he indeed said, and I'd like to read the full<br>> > context, ) out to imply only Socialism.<br>> > <br>> > T. Boone Pickens, Texas oil man, long time Republican, Bush supporter and<br>> > Swift Boating of John Kerry financier, has a plan to replace 20% of US<br>> > electricity generation with wind power, then use natural gas, now used<br>> > greatly to generate electricity (Avista), to power transportation, within<br>> > ten years. This is a rapid major restructuring. Pickens recognizes that,<br>> > though the private sector can accomplish much, government regulation, etc.<br>> > has an important role to play... He is looking to the next administration<br>> > (he is deliberately staying non-partisan in the 2008 presidential race) to<br>> > push his ideas. An Obama or McCain administration will push to restructure<br>> > the US energy economy, and government regulation, changes in tax policy<br>> > etc. will be involved:<br>> > <br>> > http://www.pickensplan.com/<br>> > <br>> > If Obama was a hard core Socialist, he would advocate total government<br>> > takeover of major sectors of the economy: the oil and auto industry,<br>> > pharmaceuticals, telecommunications and media, computers, software,<br>> > utilities and so forth... There are no Socialists in the US Senate.<br>> > <br>> > Ted Moffett<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > On 8/20/08, lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > What else can he mean by completely restructuring the economy? Think about<br>> > > it.<br>> > > Roger<br>> > > -----Original message-----<br>> > > From: Sunil Ramalingam sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:44:06 -0700<br>> > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] being fair and even<br>> > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Roger,<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Seems to me you're making an enormous and unfounded leap to say that<br>> > > Obama is talking about 'full blown socialism if not communism.' Without<br>> > > foundation for that claim it's pretty ludicrous.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Sunil<br>> > > ><br>> > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:28:22 -0700<br>> > > > > From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> > > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] being fair and even<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Sue doesn't think I'e been fair and even in the ridicule or poking fun<br>> > > at department. I think that Saundra's George Bush cartoon was a fair<br>> > > response to my kittens joke. I will give her another one. The radio talk<br>> > > show hosts have been belittling Obama for his " that is a higher pay grade<br>> > > than me" answer at the Saddleback Forum. I don't see a problem with it. He<br>> > > could have been referring to God. Who knows? In any case why waste time on<br>> > > it. There are more important thing to be worried about. For instance he said<br>> > > "It will be necessary to restructure the entire american economy. That<br>> > > translates to full blown socialism if not communism to me. That scares the<br>> > > hell out of me.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Roger<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > =======================================================<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > ><br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > ><br>> > <br>> > <br></body>
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