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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Do I think
there’s some climate change going on?<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Maybe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>If it is, do
I think it’s “anthropogenic”?<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Less likely that, more likely the sort
of climate change that has been going on ‘<span class=GramE>round</span>
the planet for the last 4 or 5 billion years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Do I think
people should do their part to “prevent” climate change?<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I don’t think we’ll “prevent”
anything.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Change will happen.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>But, I’ve got nothing against
people doing their part for conservation, nor do I have anything against
exploring alternative energy sources.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>I don’t think T. Boone Pickens is entirely altruistic in his
campaign.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>There are bucks to be
made in his plan, and I think he’ll make a few of ‘<span
class=SpellE>em</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=maroon face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>Do I trust
weather alerts?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span class=GramE>To
an extent.</span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Remember, we’re
talking “weather” and not “climate”.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I have an idea that the NOAA bunch has a
better idea about what’s going to happen in the next couple hours than
they do for the next week or month, not to mention the next 10, 20, 100 years.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’ve also spent a lot of time
looking at radar maps just so I know what we’ll have to deal with in my
job at the Highway District. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'>DC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:maroon'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ted Moffett
[mailto:starbliss@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><st1:date
Month="8" Day="21" Year="2008"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, August 21, 2008</span></font></st1:date><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="1" Minute="21"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>1:21 AM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Kai Eiselein, Editor; Chasuk<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Dan Carscallen; vision2020<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Dodging Important
Questions</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The question stands, unanswered by Carscallen, on this
list, as far as I have read. Chas and Kai appear intent on
distracting focus away from the question, given their ad hominem
comments. I am not the issue. The question is the issue. The
livability of our planet, and the responses of those in government to this
problem, is the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Why should this question inspire such
personalized responses towards someone posing it? As if the problem of
human impacts on climate is not important enough to merit posing questions
to public officials regarding what they think should be done to address
the issue? That is, assuming they even acknowledge the gravity of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>If Carscallen wants to respond, he will. If he
doesn't, he won't. What is Chas and Kai's stake in this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Regarding Chas's response, I do not "derail
any thread and subvert it..." nor did I "subvert"
Carscallen's post under discussion, unless from the point of view of someone
oblivious to the science regarding predicted impacts of human influenced
climate change. Chas's personalized hyperbole is puzzling.
Chas's response has no content that directly relates to the subject of climate
change regarding the appropriateness of my question in response to
Carscallen's post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>My question to Carscallen was related to the subject
heading of his post "Weather advisory," and was not an attempt to
"subvert," but to enlighten. This is so obvious...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Carscallen posted a weather advisory regarding an
impending storm. I asked (and I paraphrase), given he trusts these
government weather advisories, does he trust what NOAA presents regarding
anthropogenic climate change, considering he has in the past dismissed human impacts
on global climate, as they relate to increased extreme weather? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Is this an inappropriate question? And how is it
"subverting" the thread? In fact, my question relates rather
profoundly to the thread.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As to Kai's response, my response was not about a
subject "completely different," as Kai writes. As I explained
above, severe weather is related to, in fact predicted
by, anthropogenic climate change. Why Kai does not consider this
obvious connection, I am not sure. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kai also does not reference my science based
researched posts on the subject of anthropogenic climate change, but instead,
likens my posts on this critical scientific subject, that impacts the future
livability of our planet, to someone "obsessing" about Star Wars
paraphernalia, or making arguments regarding climate science like the
following:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.<br>
Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.<br>
A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kai is likening my posts on climate change to this simple
minded juvenalia? In depth study of the problem of human impacts on
climate is comparable to someone obsessing on Star Wars paraphernalia?
His response is like a radio talk show host, using emotional language and
images, rather than fact and reason, to make someones position appear
ridiculous. And these tactics are coming from someone insisting on
journalistic objectivity? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I have received positive feedback from some very well
educated members of this community regarding my researched contributions to
this list on climate science and related human impacts. Till I receive
feedback from these individuals that my posts on climate science are somehow
inappropriate, I'll dismiss Chas and Kai's oddly ad hominem responses.
Chas and Kai in their criticisms have not offered a fair evaluation, in my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ted Moffett<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On </span></font><st1:date Month="8" Day="20"
Year="2008">Wed, Aug 20, 2008</st1:date> at <st1:time Hour="12" Minute="45">12:45</st1:time>,
Ted Moffett <<a href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020"
target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">starbliss
at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><i><span style='font-style:italic'> Kai is dodging the discussion of
important questions once again, using<br>
</span></i>><i><span style='font-style:italic'> laughable amateur armchair
psychoanalysis in the process. What a howl! </span></i>><i><span
style='font-style:italic'> Thanks for the humor...<br>
</span></i><br>
I don't see this as Kai dodging an issue, so much as your giving in to<br>
own compulsion to derail any thread and subvert it to fit your tedious<br>
mania.<br>
<br>
Bad etiquette, Ted, and childish, especially when your ridiculous<br>
accusation is transparently motivated by Kai prudently ignoring your<br>
bait.<br>
<br>
Chas<br>
<br>
<span class=gmailquote>On </span><st1:date Month="8" Day="20" Year="2008"><span
class=gmailquote>8/20/08</span></st1:date><span class=gmailquote>, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Kai Eiselein, Editor</span></b> <<a
href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com" target="_blank"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">editor@lataheagle.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Ted, I didn't dodge your question, I completely,
totally and intentionally ignored it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>When one is constantly bringing the same subject up,
over and over, despite a discussion on something completely different, it
strikes me as being obsessive. Armchair or not, perception is everything. This
is my perception, like it or not. It's kind of like the guy who
collects all the Star Wars stuff, knows all of the characters' "history",
the size, armament and max speed of every ship. Yeah, "that guy", the
one everybody avoided because he couldn't talk about anything else.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>We were talking about a storm warning. You turned it
into yet another take on global warming.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dandelions blooming early? Global warming.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dandelions blooming late? Global warming.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>A feather fell off a duck's butt? Global warming.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I know all about being obsessive, I drool over
photographic equipment catalogues like a 16 year old male drools over a
Victoria's Secret catalogue. I think about photography constantly, shots I've
seen, shots I've taken and shots I want to take. Nearly everything I see, I
look at with eye towards, "How can I shoot that?"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thankfully, you were wrong about the storm, I've
been waiting for one like that for two years. (The last really good one was </span></font><st1:date
Month="7" Day="5" Year="2006"><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>July
5, 2006</span></font></st1:date><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank"
title="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Ted Moffett</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:date Month="8" Day="20"
Year="2008"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma'>Wednesday, August 20, 2008</span></font></st1:date><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time
Hour="12" Minute="45"><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>12:45 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com"
target="_blank"
title="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Kai Eiselein, Editor</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com" target="_blank"
title="mailto:areaman@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Dan Carscallen</a> ; <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank"
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vision2020</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Dodging Important Questions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kai is dodging the discussion of important
questions once again, using laughable amateur armchair psychoanalysis in the
process. What a howl! Thanks for the humor...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I don't require your photos to enjoy the beauty of
nature... You are absolutely clueless regarding this aspect of my life.
But thanks anyway. They are nice photos.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Asking a Moscow City Council member if they continue
to engage in misinformed obscurantism (my view of Carscallen's past comments on
Vision2020 regarding this issue) regarding human impacts on climate, one of
the most critical issues humanity is facing, and certainly an issue that can be
addressed by local government, is an important question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dodging questions is a very important skill, for
editors who must protect their reputation, given the political slant of
readership and supporters, and for politicians, as we all know.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ted Moffett<br>
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