<div dir="ltr">Kai et. al.<br><br>I cannot at this time answer your question definitively about how Mayer got access to the Red Cross report on torture under discussion. But the fact that as defined in the Geneva Convention, that US operatives have used or encouraged others to use unlawful torture techniques on suspects in the so called "War on Terror," is well documented... It is amazing to witness the obscurantism and head in the sand denial on this issue. Gitmo probably overall offers better treatment than the network of "black site" prisons the US has operated globally, so offering it as an example of the lawfulness of US treatment of detainees in the "War on Terror" does not tell the whole story.<br>
<br>I will remind Vision2020 readers that some torture programs conducted by the US were in part organized with the professional assistance of psychologists working in Spokane, Washington. The article at the URL below offers information on these Spokane psychologists, and the Geneva Convention violations they were complicit in. <br>
<br>Sometimes torture has involved the US kidnapping suspects to "black sites," where torture was sometimes conducted by non-US operatives acting with US cooperation, as in the case of the Canadian citizen Maher Arar, who was seized at a US airport and taken to Syria, where he was tortured, information on which is offered further down. A link is contained in the article immediately below to Jane Mayer's (same author under discussion regarding the Red Cross Report) article "The Black Sites" that documents these claims more broadly:<br>
<br><a href="http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2007/08/27/protest-at-spokane-cia-torture-firm-mitchell-jessen-associates/">http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2007/08/27/protest-at-spokane-cia-torture-firm-mitchell-jessen-associates/</a><br>
---------------------------<br>Info on the Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, seized in the US, and rendered to Syria, where he was tortured, as the following investigation determined to be the case, is at the pdf document at the URL below:<br>
<br><a href="http://www.ararcommission.ca/eng/ToopeReport_final.pdf">http://www.ararcommission.ca/eng/ToopeReport_final.pdf</a><br>-----------------------------------------<br>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Kai Eiselein, Editor <<a href="mailto:editor@lataheagle.com">editor@lataheagle.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="2">How did she get a hold of a "secret" report? Was she just
given a copy by a spook on the corner and told it was "secret"? Did
she verify the information contained within the report with those who wrote the
report?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Is the entire report in her book, "as is"
and unedited?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">Just questions from someone who is highly skeptical of "secret
reports".</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ted Moffett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:14 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision 2020</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Book Cites Secret Red Cross Report of C.I.A.
Tortureof Qaeda Captives</div></div></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
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<div>Jane Mayer's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Inside-Terror-American/dp/0385526393/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215778132&sr=8-1" target="_blank"><i><font title="http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Inside-Terror-American/dp/0385526393/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215778132&sr=8-1
CTRL + Click to follow link" color="#0066cc">The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned
Into a War on American Ideals</font></i></a></div>
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<div><a title="http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2008/07/11/a-glimpse-inside-jane-mayers-the-dark-side/
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2008/07/11/a-glimpse-inside-jane-mayers-the-dark-side/" target="_blank">http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2008/07/11/a-glimpse-inside-jane-mayers-the-dark-side/</a></div>
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<div><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11detain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/washington/11detain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin</a></div>
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<div>Text below from nytimes URL above:</div>
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<div>WASHINGTON — Red Cross investigators concluded last year in a secret report
that the <a title="More articles about the Central Intelligence Agency." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org" target="_blank"><font color="#004276">Central Intelligence Agency</font></a>'s interrogation methods for
high-level Qaeda prisoners constituted torture and could make the Bush
administration officials who approved them guilty of war crimes, according to a
new book on counterterrorism efforts since 2001.</div>
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<p>The book says that the International Committee of the Red Cross declared in
the report, given to the C.I.A. last year, that the methods used on <a title="More articles about Abu Zubaydah." href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/z/abu_zubaydah/index.html?inline=nyt-per" target="_blank"><font color="#004276">Abu Zubaydah</font></a>, the first major Qaeda figure the United
States captured, were "categorically" torture, which is illegal under both
American and international law.</p>
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<p>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</p></div>
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