<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">"Fourth, they censor and deionize anyone who doesn’t tote the party
line."<br><br>How do you deionize someone?<br><br>-Scott<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>To: Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br>Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:04:02 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion of "Global Warmers" Church's New Sermon<br><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Seems only fair that the right-mind response be
reprinted here:</font></div>
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<h4 class="BlogPostHeader"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/06/22/60894.aspx">Religion
of "Global Warmers" Church's New Sermon</a></h4>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-June/054601.html"><img alt="" src="http://media.right-mind.us/right-mind/GlobalWarming.jpg" align="right" border="0">Ted Moffett</a><font color="#0000ff"> </font>has taken me to task yet
again for my comments that Global Warming is a fundamentalist religion. </p>
<blockquote>
<p>This is climate science, not religion, for those who understand the
difference. Subject heading tongue in cheek alert for <a rel="nofollow" title="http://right-mind.us/" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/tags/Global+Warming/default.aspx">right-mind.us</a>
readers, and other deniers of the scientific consensus among the global
climate science community regarding anthropogenic climate change.
</p></blockquote>
<p dir="ltr">Yet again we have more examples of the anthropogenic
warming crowd acting like fundamentalists. Evidence after evidence
demonstrates that they have wrongly interpreted the data, yet they tenaciously
hold to their faith-based assumptions. </p>
<p dir="ltr">First, I’m not too sure how old Ted is. But I’m old enough to
remember the scientific consensus in the 70’s about the “Coming Ice
Age”. As history has well demonstrated, having a consensus of scientists on
your side doesn’t prove anything. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Second, there are <strong><em>a lot</em></strong> of scientists who
flatly disagree with anthropogenic global warming. 31,072 American Scientists
have publicly signed a petition denying anthropogenic global warming. There are
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Statephpcontent.php?run=Idaho">228
from Idaho</a> and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Statephpcontent.php?run=Washington">603
from Washington</a> that have signed; and 9,021 with PhD’s. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/09/17/54654.aspx">Over 500
scientists published studies countering global warming fears</a>. That’s not a
small dissent. That’s a group who is being vilified because they disagree with
Moffett’s theory. And that’s a fundamentalist response, not a scientific one.
</p>
<p dir="ltr">Third, to demonstrate causality they have to disprove all
other theories (sunspots causing <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/04/10/51131.aspx">global
warming on Mars</a>, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/03/12/50564.aspx">Pluto</a>,
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/08/55133.aspx">Triton</a>).
<a target="_blank" href="http://Space.com">Space.com</a> reports that <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html">Mars is
emerging from an ice age</a>. Unless Moffett thinks that Martians are driving
too many SUVs around, then there has to be another explanation. And why doesn’t
that explanation work for the earth and only for Mars/Pluto/Triton/etc? </p>
<p dir="ltr">There is a ton of evidence that the religion of global warming
conveniently ignores. Since the global warming alarmists are unable
to disprove alternative theories, they ignore them or vilify them.
Convenient. And quite the fundamentalist approach. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Fourth, they censor and deionize anyone who doesn’t tote the party
line. It’s funny how “only real scientists agree with us.” That’s a convenient
fundamentalist bate-and-switch tactic. “Only our religion is the true one.”</p>
<p dir="ltr">For the record, Ted, it wasn’t I who came up with the analogy of
global warming as a fundamentalist religion. It was <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm">Michael Crichton in a speech
delivered in 2003</a>. </p>
<p dir="ltr">John Brignell compares the religion of global warming and the
medieval Roman Catholic Church (especially in dealing with that heretic/denier
Galileo). <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm">Brignell
notes</a> many of the glaring similarities. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/04/23/59576.aspx">As I’ve
posted before</a>: </p>
<ul>
<li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Faith and scepticism</strong>: “the science of
global warming is settled”, as if science were ever settled. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Sin and absolution</strong>: the sin is your
carbon footprint. The indulgence being sold is for “carbon offsets”. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Proselytes and evangelists</strong>: the global
warming crowd are more evangelistic to their cause than any Mormon missionary
or Jehovah’s Witness door-knocker. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Demagogues and hypocrites</strong>: Al Gore is
the classic example. He chastises everyone for their carbon wastefulness while
himself flying all over the world and heating all of his mansions. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong><img alt="Sunspot-lenght-&-teperature" src="http://media.right-mind.us/right-mind/sunspotLenghtAndTeperature.gif" align="right" border="0">Infidels and apostates</strong>: anyone who questions
anthropogenic global warming is a “Denier” — as bad as a Holocaust Denier.
Heaven forbid someone change his mind on global warming. He would be an
apostate. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Prophecy and divination</strong>: “huge and
generously funded university and government departments do nothing but develop
computer models, involving assumptions about physical interactions that are
still not understood by science. Their dubious (to say the least) results are
used by the new international priesthood to frighten the people into
conformity.” This goes back to statements like “the science of global warming
is settled.” </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Puritans and killjoys</strong>: As Mencken said,
Puritans have “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” The
church of global warming offers nothing in the way of improvement or even
maintenance of the human condition. It’s as if they wanted us all to become
desert hermits — flagellants coercing us into conformity. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Censorship and angles</strong>: “If you think you
have a good case, you can afford to present both sides, but they don’t. The
great majority of the population have no idea that there is an alternative
view. That is not science, it is religion.” In Moffett’s case, everything that
would be a counter-example to his faith is dismissed as an anomaly. Everything
that confirms his faith is a fact. That is not science. That’s fundamentalism.
</div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Control and taxation</strong>: People now accept
laws that restrict their liberty and standard of living, which would once have
provoked riots, because they are cloaked in a quasi-religious formula of
global warming. </div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Contradictions and irrationality</strong>: for
instance, “The EU, for example, gratuitously destroys a tiny industry making
traditional barometers, on the grounds of an irrational fear of mercury, then
imposes the use of fluorescent light bulbs that distribute that same dreaded
substance in huge quantities across the continent, all on the basis of the
threat of global warming.”</div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Wealth and power</strong>: “What passed as
scientific research a quarter of a century ago now barely exists. To get
funding, your project has to conform to one of the mantra descriptions, such
as “sustainable development”. Doubters are afraid to speak out. Their
institutions are dependent on millions in grants at the disposal of green
officials to obtain “appropriate” results relevant to global warming and
related scares. When your institution is involved in a fight for survival, you
do not rock the boat.”</div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Confession and salvation</strong>: “Young
children now have nightmares about the burning planet, just as some of us once
had nightmares about burning in hell unless we believed, and then lay awake at
night wondering whether we believed or not, or what “believe” actually means.
The ruthless exploitation of the receptivity of the young, and their
relentless indoctrination, is one of the less pleasant characteristics of much
of religion.” “One of the most offensive manifestations of the new religion
occurred when hundreds of the priesthood went on one of their lavish junkets
in Africa, where all around them was suffering and death.”</div>
</li><li>
<div class="MsoNormal"><strong>Envoi</strong>: “Extremists of the new religion
regard humanity as an inconvenience or a pestilence that can be disposed of
(not including themselves, of course).”</div></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">Moffett’s religion even has its own pope (Al Gore).
</p></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Well put. Thanks, Dale.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">g</font></div></div></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="starbliss@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:56
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Religion of "Global
Warmers" Church's New Sermon</div>
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<div>This is climate science, not religion, for those who understand the
difference. Subject heading tongue in cheek alert for <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://right-mind.us">right-mind.us</a> readers, and other deniers of
the scientific consensus among the global climate science community regarding
anthropogenic climate change:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html">http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html</a></div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/climatetable.jpg">http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/climatetable.jpg</a></div>
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<div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.climatescience.gov/">http://www.climatescience.gov/</a></div>
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<h2>Scientific Assessment Captures Effects of a Changing Climate on Extreme
Weather Events in North America</h2>
<p id="releaseDate">June 19, 2008</p></div>
<p>Global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced
increases in heat-trapping gases, according to the report. Many types of
extreme weather and climate event changes have been observed during this time
period and continued changes are projected for this century. Specific future
projections include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Abnormally hot days and nights, along with heat waves, are very likely
to become more common. Cold nights are very likely to become less common.
</li><li>Sea ice extent is expected to continue to decrease and may even
disappear in the Arctic Ocean in summer in coming decades.
</li><li>Precipitation, on average, is likely to be less frequent but more
intense.
</li><li>Droughts are likely to become more frequent and severe in some regions.
</li><li>Hurricanes will likely have increased precipitation and wind.
</li><li>The strongest cold-season storms in the Atlantic and Pacific are likely
to produce stronger winds and higher extreme wave heights. </li></ul>
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<div> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</div>
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