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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You bore them with silly anthropogenic global
warming scare stories till their ions get angry and leave. Often they will
hook up with an odd number of negative electrons and form radical gangs that are
often very reactive and unstable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sdredge@yahoo.com href="mailto:sdredge@yahoo.com">Scott Dredge</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 23, 2008 11:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Religion of
"Global Warmers" Church's New Sermon</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">"Fourth,
they censor and deionize anyone who doesn’t tote the party line."<BR><BR>How
do you deionize someone?<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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Original Message ----<BR>From: g. crabtree <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>><BR>To: Ted
Moffett <<A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A>>;
vision 2020 <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Monday, June 23, 2008 6:04:02 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religion of
"Global Warmers" Church's New Sermon<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seems only fair that the right-mind response be
reprinted here:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<H4 class=BlogPostHeader><A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/06/22/60894.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Religion of "Global Warmers" Church's New
Sermon</A></H4>
<DIV class=BlogPostContent>
<P><A href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2008-June/054601.html"
target=_blank rel=nofollow><IMG alt=""
src="http://media.right-mind.us/right-mind/GlobalWarming.jpg" align=right
border=0>Ted Moffett</A><FONT color=#0000ff> </FONT>has taken me to task yet
again for my comments that Global Warming is a fundamentalist religion. </P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>This is climate science, not religion, for those who understand the
difference. Subject heading tongue in cheek alert for <A
title=http://right-mind.us/
href="http://right-mind.us/tags/Global+Warming/default.aspx" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>right-mind.us</A> readers, and other deniers of the scientific
consensus among the global climate science community regarding anthropogenic
climate change. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P dir=ltr>Yet again we have more examples of the anthropogenic
warming crowd acting like fundamentalists. Evidence after evidence
demonstrates that they have wrongly interpreted the data, yet they tenaciously
hold to their faith-based assumptions. </P>
<P dir=ltr>First, I’m not too sure how old Ted is. But I’m old enough to
remember the scientific consensus in the 70’s about the “Coming Ice
Age”. As history has well demonstrated, having a consensus of scientists
on your side doesn’t prove anything. </P>
<P dir=ltr>Second, there are <STRONG><EM>a lot</EM></STRONG> of scientists who
flatly disagree with anthropogenic global warming. 31,072 American Scientists
have publicly signed a petition denying anthropogenic global warming. There
are <A
href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Statephpcontent.php?run=Idaho"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>228 from Idaho</A> and <A
href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Statephpcontent.php?run=Washington"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>603 from Washington</A> that have signed; and 9,021
with PhD’s. <A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/09/17/54654.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Over 500 scientists published studies countering
global warming fears</A>. That’s not a small dissent. That’s a group who is
being vilified because they disagree with Moffett’s theory. And that’s a
fundamentalist response, not a scientific one. </P>
<P dir=ltr>Third, to demonstrate causality they have to disprove all
other theories (sunspots causing <A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/04/10/51131.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>global warming on Mars</A>, <A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/03/12/50564.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Pluto</A>, <A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/08/55133.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Triton</A>). <A href="http://Space.com"
target=_blank>Space.com</A> reports that <A
href="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Mars is emerging from an ice age</A>. Unless
Moffett thinks that Martians are driving too many SUVs around, then there has
to be another explanation. And why doesn’t that explanation work for the earth
and only for Mars/Pluto/Triton/etc? </P>
<P dir=ltr>There is a ton of evidence that the religion of global warming
conveniently ignores. Since the global warming alarmists are unable
to disprove alternative theories, they ignore them or vilify them.
Convenient. And quite the fundamentalist approach. </P>
<P dir=ltr>Fourth, they censor and deionize anyone who doesn’t tote the party
line. It’s funny how “only real scientists agree with us.” That’s a convenient
fundamentalist bate-and-switch tactic. “Only our religion is the true
one.”</P>
<P dir=ltr>For the record, Ted, it wasn’t I who came up with the analogy of
global warming as a fundamentalist religion. It was <A
href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Michael Crichton in a speech delivered in 2003</A>. </P>
<P dir=ltr>John Brignell compares the religion of global warming and the
medieval Roman Catholic Church (especially in dealing with that heretic/denier
Galileo). <A href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>Brignell notes</A> many of the glaring
similarities. <A
href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/04/23/59576.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>As I’ve posted before</A>: </P>
<UL>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Faith and scepticism</STRONG>: “the science of
global warming is settled”, as if science were ever settled. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Sin and absolution</STRONG>: the sin is your
carbon footprint. The indulgence being sold is for “carbon offsets”. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Proselytes and evangelists</STRONG>: the global
warming crowd are more evangelistic to their cause than any Mormon
missionary or Jehovah’s Witness door-knocker. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Demagogues and hypocrites</STRONG>: Al Gore is
the classic example. He chastises everyone for their carbon wastefulness
while himself flying all over the world and heating all of his mansions.
</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><IMG alt=Sunspot-lenght-&-teperature
src="http://media.right-mind.us/right-mind/sunspotLenghtAndTeperature.gif"
align=right border=0>Infidels and apostates</STRONG>: anyone who questions
anthropogenic global warming is a “Denier” — as bad as a Holocaust Denier.
Heaven forbid someone change his mind on global warming. He would be an
apostate. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Prophecy and divination</STRONG>: “huge and
generously funded university and government departments do nothing but
develop computer models, involving assumptions about physical interactions
that are still not understood by science. Their dubious (to say the least)
results are used by the new international priesthood to frighten the people
into conformity.” This goes back to statements like “the science of global
warming is settled.” </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Puritans and killjoys</STRONG>: As Mencken
said, Puritans have “the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy.” The church of global warming offers nothing in the way of
improvement or even maintenance of the human condition. It’s as if they
wanted us all to become desert hermits — flagellants coercing us into
conformity. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Censorship and angles</STRONG>: “If you think
you have a good case, you can afford to present both sides, but they don’t.
The great majority of the population have no idea that there is an
alternative view. That is not science, it is religion.” In Moffett’s case,
everything that would be a counter-example to his faith is dismissed as an
anomaly. Everything that confirms his faith is a fact. That is not science.
That’s fundamentalism. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Control and taxation</STRONG>: People now
accept laws that restrict their liberty and standard of living, which would
once have provoked riots, because they are cloaked in a quasi-religious
formula of global warming. </DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Contradictions and irrationality</STRONG>: for
instance, “The EU, for example, gratuitously destroys a tiny industry making
traditional barometers, on the grounds of an irrational fear of mercury,
then imposes the use of fluorescent light bulbs that distribute that same
dreaded substance in huge quantities across the continent, all on the basis
of the threat of global warming.”</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Wealth and power</STRONG>: “What passed as
scientific research a quarter of a century ago now barely exists. To get
funding, your project has to conform to one of the mantra descriptions, such
as “sustainable development”. Doubters are afraid to speak out. Their
institutions are dependent on millions in grants at the disposal of green
officials to obtain “appropriate” results relevant to global warming and
related scares. When your institution is involved in a fight for survival,
you do not rock the boat.”</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Confession and salvation</STRONG>: “Young
children now have nightmares about the burning planet, just as some of us
once had nightmares about burning in hell unless we believed, and then lay
awake at night wondering whether we believed or not, or what “believe”
actually means. The ruthless exploitation of the receptivity of the young,
and their relentless indoctrination, is one of the less pleasant
characteristics of much of religion.” “One of the most offensive
manifestations of the new religion occurred when hundreds of the priesthood
went on one of their lavish junkets in Africa, where all around them was
suffering and death.”</DIV>
<LI>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG>Envoi</STRONG>: “Extremists of the new religion
regard humanity as an inconvenience or a pestilence that can be disposed of
(not including themselves, of course).”</DIV></LI></UL>
<P class=MsoNormal>Moffett’s religion even has its own pope (Al Gore).
</P></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2008/06/22/60894.aspx"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>2008-06-22 10:58</A> by <A
href="http://right-mind.us/members/Right-Mind.aspx" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Right-Mind</A> to <A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well put. Thanks, Dale.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target=_blank
rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</A> </DIV>
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<A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV
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Saturday, June 21, 2008 2:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none"><B>Subject:</B>
[Vision2020] Religion of "Global Warmers" Church's New Sermon</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This is climate science, not religion, for those who understand
the difference. Subject heading tongue in cheek alert for <A
href="http://right-mind.us" target=_blank rel=nofollow>right-mind.us</A>
readers, and other deniers of the scientific consensus among the global
climate science community regarding anthropogenic climate change:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/climatetable.jpg"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/images/climatetable.jpg</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.climatescience.gov/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.climatescience.gov/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>
<H2>Scientific Assessment Captures Effects of a Changing Climate on Extreme
Weather Events in North America</H2>
<P id=releaseDate>June 19, 2008</P></DIV>
<P>Global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced
increases in heat-trapping gases, according to the report. Many types of
extreme weather and climate event changes have been observed during this
time period and continued changes are projected for this century. Specific
future projections include:</P>
<UL>
<LI>Abnormally hot days and nights, along with heat waves, are very likely
to become more common. Cold nights are very likely to become less common.
<LI>Sea ice extent is expected to continue to decrease and may even
disappear in the Arctic Ocean in summer in coming decades.
<LI>Precipitation, on average, is likely to be less frequent but more
intense.
<LI>Droughts are likely to become more frequent and severe in some
regions.
<LI>Hurricanes will likely have increased precipitation and wind.
<LI>The strongest cold-season storms in the Atlantic and Pacific are
likely to produce stronger winds and higher extreme wave heights. </LI></UL>
<DIV>-------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</DIV>
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