<DIV>Saundra,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We could easily meet the food needs of the nation if we cut the government bureaucracy for food stamps down and allowed private food banks to use the money to buy food.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Saundra Lund <sslund_2007@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A quick phone call to our local food bank and a brief conversation with its
director informs me that the "food banks frequently run out of food" answer to my question is nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was told that since the banks inception such a thing has never happened.”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Well, I don’t know that the OP had such a narrow vision of the food bank world as to look only at Latah County. Certainly over in Whitman County there have been problems through the years keeping the various food banks stocked, which is a very common problem around the rest of the United States. Kudos to those of us in Latah County who apparently keep our local food banks adequately stocked, but that’s the crux of the problem, isn’t it? Not all communities are able to be so generous.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And, I’m sure during your conversation the food bank director talked about the lack of fresh produce and meat, important things for the diet, right? That’s a couple of problems for you right there . . . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Besides, I think Paul already answered your question – did you not read his post last night?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Having worked with
clients who relied on access to food banks to survive, there’s something humiliating and perhaps even shameful about forcing people to ask for private charity, at least, that’s what my clients told me. While food banks can be a godsend, not all are run the same, and what’s available at any food bank can vary from day-to-day, which can be a <B>huge</B> problem for those with medical conditions requiring special diets. I’m not currently in the field, but there never used to be fresh produce available (although my hope is that’s changed from May to October with Backyard Harvest) and meat was really only available for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Even locally, then, there are <B>huge</B> gaps our local food banks can’t meet AFAIK.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
the apparently richest country in the world, I do find it shameful that we’re not meeting such a basic human need as healthy and nutritious food for all. Food banks can be great, but there’s something very wrong when we as the richest country in the world have turned our collective backs on such a basic human need as healthy and nutritious food for all. It’s a pretty risky proposition to force those in need to depend on the charity of others for such a basic thing as food . . . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JMHO,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">***** Original material contained herein is
Copyright 2008 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Andreas Schou<BR><B>Cc:</B> vision2020; Dave<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Economist
Rankings of the World's Greatest<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal>"Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an EBT card without<BR>the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no longer in a form<BR>where they're independently transferable. Fun fact: the US government<BR>now spends more money per year on welfare fraud prevention than they<BR>have ever lost per year to welfare fraud."<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What would stop me from telling my friend/neighbor/co-conspirator that I would be happy to do their shopping for them. They give me cash, I purchase the items with my card. Seems pretty easy to me. I doubt that there is much that is factual in your "fun fact," but assuming you are correct it would simply be another reason to
leave matters such as these to the private sector to be run at the local level.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When I donate to a privately run local food bank I know that my donation will go 100% to feeding someone who is hungry, barring their taking the banks largess and selling it on the street corner, a fairly unlikely scenario. No money is wasted on bloated administration or bureaucratic paper shuffling. In a government run program I would be surprised if for every tax dollar spent ten cents worth of food makes it to the unfortunate.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A quick phone call to our local food bank and a brief conversation with its director informs me that the
"food banks frequently run out of food" answer to my question is nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was told that since the banks inception such a thing has never happened.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Lets drag this back to the core of the question instead of arguing the peripheral issues. What is it about a food bank that is shameful?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV>
<DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From: "Andreas Schou" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">ophite@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To: "g. crabtree" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cc: "Dave" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">tiedye@turbonet.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>; "vision2020" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:31 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest</SPAN><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, g. crabtree <</SPAN><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">> wrote:<BR>>> It is much easier to commit fraud with food stamps.<BR>> <BR>> Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an EBT card without<BR>> the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no longer in a form<BR>> where they're independently transferrable. Fun fact: the US government<BR>> now spends more money per year on welfare fraud prevention than they<BR>> have ever lost per year to welfare fraud.<BR>> <BR>>> In addition, what is it about food stamps that make them less "shameful" then utilizing a > food bank?<BR>> <BR>>> What makes them better?<BR>> <BR>> Reliability? Food banks frequently run out of food.<BR>> <BR>>> g<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: "Dave" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">tiedye@turbonet.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>>> To: "vision2020" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:50 AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> How about food stamps?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Dave<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> g. crabtree wrote:<BR>>>>> Spoken like a man who can't come up with a coherent answer for a rather<BR>>>>> straight forward question.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> "Just what mechanism for assistance do you envision that an "affluent and<BR>>>>> technologically advanced"
nation might come up with that would be less<BR>>>>> shameful?"<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Perhaps you simply were confused by my presentation. I'll try again.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Privately operated food banks efficiently provide a needed service. How<BR>>>>> do<BR>>>>> you think it could be done better?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> g<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> --<BR>>>> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<BR>>>> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<BR>>>><BR>>>> =======================================================<BR>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>>>> </SPAN><A
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