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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In
part, Gary Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A quick phone call to
our local food bank and a brief conversation with its director informs me that
the "food banks frequently run out of food" answer to my question is
nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was told that since the banks
inception such a thing has never happened.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well,
I don’t know that the OP had such a narrow vision of the food bank world as
to look only at Latah County. Certainly over in Whitman County there have
been problems through the years keeping the various food banks stocked, which
is a very common problem around the rest of the United States. Kudos to
those of us in Latah County who apparently keep our local food banks adequately
stocked, but that’s the crux of the problem, isn’t it? Not
all communities are able to be so generous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And,
I’m sure during your conversation the food bank director talked about the
lack of fresh produce and meat, important things for the diet, right?
That’s a couple of problems for you right there . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Besides,
I think Paul already answered your question – did you not read his post
last night?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Having
worked with clients who relied on access to food banks to survive, there’s
something humiliating and perhaps even shameful about forcing people to ask for
private charity, at least, that’s what my clients told me. While
food banks can be a godsend, not all are run the same, and what’s
available at any food bank can vary from day-to-day, which can be a <b>huge</b>
problem for those with medical conditions requiring special diets. I’m
not currently in the field, but there never used to be fresh produce available
(although my hope is that’s changed from May to October with Backyard
Harvest) and meat was really only available for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Even locally, then, there are <b>huge</b> gaps our local food banks can’t
meet AFAIK.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As
the apparently richest country in the world, I do find it shameful that we’re
not meeting such a basic human need as healthy and nutritious food for all.
Food banks can be great, but there’s something very wrong when we as the
richest country in the world have turned our collective backs on such a basic human
need as healthy and nutritious food for all. It’s a pretty risky
proposition to force those in need to depend on the charity of others for such
a basic thing as food . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JMHO,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>g. crabtree<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andreas Schou<br>
<b>Cc:</b> vision2020; Dave<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>"Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an
EBT card without<br>
the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no longer in a form<br>
where they're independently transferable. Fun fact: the US government<br>
now spends more money per year on welfare fraud prevention than they<br>
have ever lost per year to welfare fraud."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What
would stop me from telling my friend/neighbor/co-conspirator that I would
be happy to do their shopping for them. They give me cash, I purchase the items
with my card. Seems pretty easy to me. I doubt that there is much that is
factual in your "fun fact," but assuming you are correct it would
simply be another reason to leave matters such as these to the private sector
to be run at the local level.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>When
I donate to a privately run local food bank I know that my donation will go
100% to feeding someone who is hungry, barring their taking the banks largess
and selling it on the street corner, a fairly unlikely scenario. No money is
wasted on bloated administration or bureaucratic paper shuffling. In a
government run program I would be surprised if for every tax dollar spent ten
cents worth of food makes it to the unfortunate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A
quick phone call to our local food bank and a brief conversation with its
director informs me that the "food banks frequently run out of food"
answer to my question is nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was
told that since the banks inception such a thing has never happened.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Lets
drag this back to the core of the question instead of arguing the peripheral
issues. What is it about a food bank that is shameful?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>g</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:
"Andreas Schou" <</span><a href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ophite@gmail.com</span></a><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:
"g. crabtree" <</span><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:
"Dave" <</span><a href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>tiedye@turbonet.com</span></a><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>;
"vision2020" <</span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:
Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:31 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, g. crabtree <</span><a
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>jampot@roadrunner.com</span></a><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>> wrote:<br>
>> It is much easier to commit fraud with food stamps.<br>
> <br>
> Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an EBT card without<br>
> the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no longer in a form<br>
> where they're independently transferrable. Fun fact: the US government<br>
> now spends more money per year on welfare fraud prevention than they<br>
> have ever lost per year to welfare fraud.<br>
> <br>
>> In addition, what is it about food stamps that make them less
"shameful" then utilizing a > food bank?<br>
> <br>
>> What makes them better?<br>
> <br>
> Reliability? Food banks frequently run out of food.<br>
> <br>
>> g<br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Dave" <</span><a href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>tiedye@turbonet.com</span></a><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>
>> To: "vision2020" <</span><a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"'>vision2020@moscow.com</span></a><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>><br>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:50 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> How about food stamps?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dave<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> g. crabtree wrote:<br>
>>>> Spoken like a man who can't come up with a coherent answer for
a rather<br>
>>>> straight forward question.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "Just what mechanism for assistance do you envision that
an "affluent and<br>
>>>> technologically advanced" nation might come up with that
would be less<br>
>>>> shameful?"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Perhaps you simply were confused by my presentation. I'll try
again.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Privately operated food banks efficiently provide a needed
service. How<br>
>>>> do<br>
>>>> you think it could be done better?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> g<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<br>
>>> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<br>
>>><br>
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