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No, actually, the Pope has spoken "ex cathedra" -- in his position of supposed infallibility -- on the issue of sexual relations, asserting that sex is first a procreative activity and only secondarily a pleasurable one. The phrasing used is something along the lines of "every act of copulation must be open to the possibility of conception," which is a clear prohibition of any form of birth control other than abstinence during fertile periods. Further, the Church has specifically condemned methods such as the IUD that it considers abortifacients, preventing the implantation of the fertilized egg into the uterine lining. <br><br>The prohibition against contraception in any form was one of the things I knew I could not abide by as a Catholic. As a Protestant, I'm quite happy to have two wonderful sons. I don't care if they grow up with a conviction against birth control or not; I just want them to grow up completely devoted to Christ, not to anyone else -- and especially not to a celibate man who believes he is the literal living heir to the apostolic throne of Simon Peter. <br><br>And yes, I wanted very much, when I was in grade school, to be a nun. But then I hit adolescence, and it occurred to me that my being a nun would make it terribly uncomfortable if I was to run off with David<br>Cassidy . . . <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:28:13 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<br>To: kjajmix1@msn.com; gussie443@hotmail.com; ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<br><br><div>Keely,</div> <div> </div> <div>You are confused. The Power of Infallibility was not ever used in the declaration against birth control. It is just a church policy. </div> <div> </div> <div>If the Pope stated that through divine revelation he knows that birth control is wrong, and declared infallibility on the subject praying with the Church, I would have no choice but to accept it as God's will. Otherwise, it is just another numbered Cannon Law. </div> <div> </div> <div>Second, even if it was the word of God, doesn't mean I would follow it anymore than I do anything else he asks. I am a deeply flawed follower of Christ. </div> <div> </div> <div>Finally, I never admitted to being a "Faithful" Catholic, just a Catholic. If the Kennedy's and the Mob can claim to be Catholic, so can I. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b>
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</style> Of course, one of the "dogmas" of the Roman Catholic Church is belief in papal infallibility, and that infallible Pope sets out doctrine for the faithful, who then must, to honor Catholic "dogma" -- let's call it doctrinal tradition -- abide by his pronouncements. I don't question that most do not, but it's incorrect to say that in matters of church teaching, the Pope considers dissenters from his revealed doctrine to be faithful Catholics. <br><br>God is probably more flexible, but the Catholic church claims its origin to the Apostle Peter, the "rock" on whom Christ built his church, and what Yahweh likely allows is often prohibited by the Pope. Catholics may do well to abide by Spirit-guided conscience, but
the individual communicant has to decide if she can reconcile being a faithful Christian with complete adherence to Papal authority. I couldn't, which is why I left the Roman Catholic Church 27 years ago. I know many, many sincere Christians who are practicing Roman Catholics, but I believed then, and do now, that I could not be.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br> <blockquote> <hr> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:57:38 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: gussie443@hotmail.com; ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<br><br> <div>Ellen,</div> <div> </div> <div>Most Catholics in the United States believe in birth control. Second, where did you hear that there is no "wiggle" room in having to believe everything the Pope says and still be Catholic?</div> <div> </div> <div>I know of no Catholics that believe everything the Catholic Church preaches,
including nuns and priests? The only thing Catholics are required to believe is the Dogma of the Church. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Ellen Roskovich <gussie443@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <style>
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</style> <strong>I thought the real Donovan Arnold was Catholic and there's no wiggle room to even question their teachings.</strong><br><strong></strong> <br><strong>Ellen A. Roskovich</strong><br><br><br><br> <blockquote> <hr> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:08:26 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: ttrail@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's Greatest Challenges<br><br> <div>Rep.
Trail,</div> <div> </div> <div>Has anyone suggested teaching people living in third world countries that most of their starvation and malnutrition problems would go away if they would not be popping out 8 babies a piece?</div> <div> </div> <div>What the world needs is more birth control and education not to have more children they cannot afford to raise.</div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Tom Trail <ttrail@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_EC_EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <style>
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</style> <blockquote cite="">Visionaires:</blockquote> <div><br><br></div> <div>Economists recently met in Denmark and ranked the world's greatest challenges.</div> <div>Malnutrition and
health problems dominated the top ratings.</div> <div><br></div> <div>Tom Trail</div> <div><br></div> <blockquote cite="">How to save the world: the verdicts are in from the experts and our readers</blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033472.ece" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033472.ece</a></blockquote> <blockquote cite="">From Times Online</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">May 30, 2008</blockquote> <blockquote cite=""> </blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><img alt="image001 188.jpg" src="cid:588050163000000@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="165" width="165"></blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4033272.ece" target="_blank"><font size="+2"><b>Spending £30 billion</b></font></a><br><font size="+2"><b></b></font></blockquote> <blockquote cite="">Economists battle it out to rank possible
solutions for the great challenges in global stability and security</blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><img alt="image002 68.jpg" src="cid:588050163000001@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com" height="70" width="70"></blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><br> </blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><font size="+3"><b>Copenhagen Consensus: the panel's verdict</b></font><br><font size="+3"><b></b></font></blockquote> <blockquote cite="">1<b> Micronutrient supplements for children (vitamin A and zinc)</b> Malnutrition</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">2<b> The Doha development agenda</b> Trade</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">3<b> Micronutrient fortification (iron and salt iodization)</b> Malnutrition</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">4<b> Expanded immunization coverage for children</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">5<b> Biofortification</b> Malnutrition</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">6<b> Deworming and other nutrition programs at school</b> Malnutrition &
Education</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">7<b> Lowering the price of schooling</b> Education</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">8<b> Increase and improve girls' schooling</b> Women</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">9<b> Community-based nutrition promotion</b> Malnutrition</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">10<b> Provide support for women's reproductive role</b> Women</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">11<b> Heart attack acute management</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">12<b> Malaria prevention and treatment</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">13<b> Tuberculosis case finding and treatment</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">14<b> R&D in low-carbon energy technologies</b> Global Warming</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">15<b> Bio-sand filters for household water treatment</b> Water</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">16<b> Rural water supply</b> Water</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">17<b> Conditional cash transfers</b>
Education</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">18<b> Peace-keeping in post-conflict situations</b> Conflicts</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">19<b> HIV combination prevention</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">20<b> Total sanitation campaign</b> Water</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">21<b> Improving surgical capacity at district hospital level</b> Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">22<b> Microfinance</b> Women</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">23<b> Improved stove intervention</b> Air Pollution</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">24<b> Large, multipurpose dam in Africa</b> Water</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">25<b> Inspection and maintenance of diesel vehicles</b> Air Pollution</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">26<b> Low sulfur diesel for urban road vehicles</b> Air Pollution</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">27<b> Diesel vehicle particulate control technology</b> Air Pollution</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">28<b> Tobacco tax</b>
Diseases</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">29<b> R&D and mitigation</b> Global Warming</blockquote> <blockquote cite="">30<b> Mitigation only</b> Global Warming</blockquote> <blockquote cite=""> </blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><br></blockquote> <blockquote cite=""> </blockquote> <blockquote cite=""><br>Content-Type: image/jpeg;<br> name="image001.jpg"<br>Content-ID: <image001.jpg@01C8C489.7D544EE0><br>Content-Description: image001.jpg<br>Content-Location: image001.jpg<br><br>Content-Type: image/jpeg;<br>name="image002.jpg"<br>Content-ID: <image002.jpg@01C8C489.7D544EE0><br>Content-Description: image002.jpg<br>Content-Location: image002.jpg</blockquote> <div><br></div> <div><br></div><pre>-- </pre> <div>Dr. Tom Trail<br>International Trails<br>1375 Mt. View Rd.<br>Moscow, Id. 83843<br>Tel: (208) 882-6077<br>Fax: (208) 882-0896<br>e mail
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