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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT size=2><FONT
color=#000000>"...</FONT>there’s something humiliating and perhaps even shameful
about forcing people to ask for private charity..."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#1f497d size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So let me get this straight in my head. It's
shameful and humiliating to ask the nice folks at the privately run food bank
for charity but going to the welfare mill and waiting in line to ask the
bureaucrat behind the counter to sign you up for the dole affirms your basic
dignity as a human being? Handing your hard earned food stamps to the gainfully
employed 18 year old behind the cash register at the local supermarket confirms
your self worth and preserves your pride in some unfathomable manner? I
would never have guessed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra
Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">'Andreas Schou'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision2020'</A> ; <A
title=tiedye@turbonet.com href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com">'Dave'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Economist
Rankings of the World's Greatest</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In part, Gary
Crabtree wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A quick phone call
to our local food bank and a brief conversation with its director informs me
that the "food banks frequently run out of food" answer to my question is
nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was told that since the banks
inception such a thing has never happened.”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Well, I don’t know
that the OP had such a narrow vision of the food bank world as to look only at
Latah County. Certainly over in Whitman County there have been problems
through the years keeping the various food banks stocked, which is a very
common problem around the rest of the United States. Kudos to those of
us in Latah County who apparently keep our local food banks adequately
stocked, but that’s the crux of the problem, isn’t it? Not all
communities are able to be so generous.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">And, I’m sure
during your conversation the food bank director talked about the lack of fresh
produce and meat, important things for the diet, right? That’s a couple
of problems for you right there . . . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Besides, I think
Paul already answered your question – did you not read his post last
night?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Having worked with
clients who relied on access to food banks to survive, there’s something
humiliating and perhaps even shameful about forcing people to ask for private
charity, at least, that’s what my clients told me. While food banks can
be a godsend, not all are run the same, and what’s available at any food bank
can vary from day-to-day, which can be a <B>huge</B> problem for those with
medical conditions requiring special diets. I’m not currently in the
field, but there never used to be fresh produce available (although my hope is
that’s changed from May to October with Backyard Harvest) and meat was really
only available for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Even locally, then, there
are <B>huge</B> gaps our local food banks can’t meet
AFAIK.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As the apparently
richest country in the world, I do find it shameful that we’re not meeting
such a basic human need as healthy and nutritious food for all. Food
banks can be great, but there’s something very wrong when we as the richest
country in the world have turned our collective backs on such a basic human
need as healthy and nutritious food for all. It’s a pretty risky
proposition to force those in need to depend on the charity of others for such
a basic thing as food . . . <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JMHO,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:27
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Andreas Schou<BR><B>Cc:</B> vision2020;
Dave<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's
Greatest<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>"Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an EBT
card without<BR>the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no longer in a
form<BR>where they're independently transferable. Fun fact: the US
government<BR>now spends more money per year on welfare fraud prevention than
they<BR>have ever lost per year to welfare fraud."<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">What would stop me
from telling my friend/neighbor/co-conspirator that I would be happy to
do their shopping for them. They give me cash, I purchase the items with my
card. Seems pretty easy to me. I doubt that there is much that is factual in
your "fun fact," but assuming you are correct it would simply be another
reason to leave matters such as these to the private sector to be run at the
local level.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">When I donate to a
privately run local food bank I know that my donation will go 100% to feeding
someone who is hungry, barring their taking the banks largess and selling it
on the street corner, a fairly unlikely scenario. No money is wasted on
bloated administration or bureaucratic paper shuffling. In a government run
program I would be surprised if for every tax dollar spent ten cents worth of
food makes it to the unfortunate.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A quick phone call
to our local food bank and a brief conversation with its director informs me
that the "food banks frequently run out of food" answer to my question is
nonsense, at least here in Latah county. I was told that since the banks
inception such a thing has never happened.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Lets drag this back
to the core of the question instead of arguing the peripheral issues. What is
it about a food bank that is shameful?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From: "Andreas
Schou" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">ophite@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To: "g. crabtree"
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cc: "Dave"
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">tiedye@turbonet.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>; "vision2020"
<</SPAN><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent: Tuesday, June
03, 2008 1:31 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Economist Rankings of the World's
Greatest</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">> On Tue, Jun 3,
2008 at 1:00 PM, g. crabtree <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">jampot@roadrunner.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>
wrote:<BR>>> It is much easier to commit fraud with food
stamps.<BR>> <BR>> Um. It's virtually impossible to commit fraud with an
EBT card without<BR>> the collusion of a supermarket. Food stamps are no
longer in a form<BR>> where they're independently transferrable. Fun fact:
the US government<BR>> now spends more money per year on welfare fraud
prevention than they<BR>> have ever lost per year to welfare fraud.<BR>>
<BR>>> In addition, what is it about food stamps that make them less
"shameful" then utilizing a > food bank?<BR>> <BR>>> What makes
them better?<BR>> <BR>> Reliability? Food banks frequently run out of
food.<BR>> <BR>>> g<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: "Dave" <</SPAN><A
href="mailto:tiedye@turbonet.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">tiedye@turbonet.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>>>
To: "vision2020" <</SPAN><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">vision2020@moscow.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">><BR>>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:50 AM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Economist Rankings of the World's
Greatest<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>> How about food
stamps?<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Dave<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> g. crabtree
wrote:<BR>>>>> Spoken like a man who can't come up with a coherent
answer for a rather<BR>>>>> straight forward
question.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> "Just what mechanism for
assistance do you envision that an "affluent and<BR>>>>>
technologically advanced" nation might come up with that would be
less<BR>>>>> shameful?"<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
Perhaps you simply were confused by my presentation. I'll try
again.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Privately operated food banks
efficiently provide a needed service. How<BR>>>>>
do<BR>>>>> you think it could be done
better?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
g<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
--<BR>>>> Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice
as:<BR>>>> McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real)
Co-Op.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
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