<DIV>Keely,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do you ever debate the issues, or are you just happy launching personal attacks? I understand I do the latter because I fail to live up to that standard, but I don't proclaim to be morally higher than anyone else because they don't hold my position on an issue, and I do on occasion debate the issues with the facts. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Although, considering that your side of the issues rests solely on emotional appeal, and no facts whatsoever, it does make sense to just attack the person personally, then run and declare "mission accomplished", as though nobody will notice you failed to bring forth any facts to support your wild claims and conspiracy theories. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff
2px solid"> <STYLE> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } </STYLE> Whoever's playing "Donovan" today writes:<BR><BR>"As I understand, Keely, you are . . . " <BR><BR>Donovan's doppelgangers haven't the faintest idea who I am and continually misrepresent what I believe. Of course, we have no idea who they are, either, although the only thing his beliefs misrepresent is civility and cogency. The difference is that I've never once hidden my identity or my beliefs; the inability to "understand" me comes from blindness on "Donovan's" part, not cowardly anonymity on mine. <BR><BR>I think we can stop right there, and I will.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:55:23 -0700<BR>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Sali's concerns put spotlight on ID cards issued by Mexico<BR>To: kjajmix1@msn.com;
godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<BR><BR> <DIV>Keely,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, you are either being very cute with us, or are completely ignorant of the purpose of the Consulate. As you know, that the Consulate gives ID cards to anyone of Hispanic descent, not just its own citizens, as no legal identification is needed to get one. Rapists, murderers, child molesters, drug dealers, and other criminals escaping US and other law enforcement officials for past crimes are able to get these identification cards. It places many innocent people, and police officers, in danger. Illegal labor in the country drives down wages, robs from Social Security, local schools, and other programs. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I understand Keely, you are not against placing child molesters, rapists, murderers, and other criminals in a position to run free in society. There is a reason why we have laws for
immigration, part of that is to make sure that wages stay fair and criminal behavior does not run rampant in our society. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mexico, has less than 3% of the world's population, yet receives 40% of the places and jobs the United States has to offer. Mexico is the 12th wealthiest nation on the planet. Why should the remaining 92% of the population, and the other 260+ poorer nations of the planet not be given an equal opportunity to have a shot at those jobs and the American dream?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think, Keely, you support a bigoted and prejudiced policy of allowing the wealthier people from one particular region of the world to cut in line in front of those that have followed the rules to get here, and are facing worse socio-economic and politically oppressive governments. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You, Keely, as I understand, support an immigration policy that is unfair and unjust. You support a policy that
is not only a danger to innocents in this society, and to others playing by the rules, but you support a policy that is even a danger to those you claim to support. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"> <STYLE> .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} </STYLE> No, actually, the Consulate is issuing identification cards to its own citizens. That's all. To suggest that that automatically translates into a wholesale giving over to undocumented workers --
workers, not "aliens" -- of U.S. government services is not only foolish, but indicative of either terrific fear or terrific bigotry.<BR><BR>Neither is terribly becoming of a self-professed Christian.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:31:24 -0700<BR>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>To: godshatter@yahoo.com<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: Sali's concerns put spotlight on ID cards issued by Mexico<BR><BR> <DIV>Paul,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Mexican government is issuing cards to allows felons and illegal aliens to stay in the US putting US citizens at risk, overrunning our government agencies, and costing the taxpayer billions of dollars every year, and you say, "so what"?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, if you don't see that as a problem, then I don't think anyone could convince you of anything being a problem. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_EC_replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">The Mexican government, through their consulate, is planning on issuing <BR>Mexican identification to it's own citizens. So what? If there's a <BR>problem, it's the fact that these are sometimes accepted by banks, <BR>airlines, and some government agencies as valid ID. If that poses a <BR>problem, then we fix that - not deny the consulate from opening in our <BR>state.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> What you mean, I missed it? It is the point of the article, Mexico <BR>> doesn't respect our laws.<BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> */Dave /* wrote:<BR>><BR>> You seem to have missed this line:<BR>><BR>>
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