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<body class='hmmessage'>Exactly, Andreas.<BR>
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Analogous to Arnold's (aka Doudalchri Wilcourwit) logic is the following syllogism<BR>
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One guaranteed way to reduce the number of criminals to ABSOLUTE ZERO is to eliminate ALL laws.<BR>
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No laws. No crimes.<BR>
No crimes. No criminals.<BR>
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Result: A total crime-free society. Just don't go outside.<BR>
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Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>
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Tom Hansen<BR>
Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:38 -0700<BR>> From: ophite@gmail.com<BR>> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> CC: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> <BR>> Donovan --<BR>> <BR>> Wait. You're saying that discrimination exists because we refuse to ignore it?<BR>> <BR>> Sure. Okay.<BR>> <BR>> -- ACS<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>> > Mo,<BR>> ><BR>> > I agree that discrimination still exists. But I think the reason why the US,<BR>> > unlike other western nations, has not moved past these hang ups is precisely<BR>> > because of the tactics used to try and end it.<BR>> ><BR>> > When we tell people they are wrong or should feel guilty because they are<BR>> > White, heterosexual, christian, non-disabled, male, etc, you quickly turn<BR>> > off the majority of people you are trying to convert.<BR>> ><BR>> > If we just hire, fire, include people based on merit, we would end<BR>> > discrimination quickly.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan<BR>> ><BR>> > Mo Hendrickson <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > It shouldn't matter, but unfortunately in our society, racism, sexism,<BR>> > classism, religious choice, sexual orientation, gender preference,<BR>> > disability, on and on and on, are still factors in discrimination. We do<BR>> > not live in a color blind/gender blind etc society and until we do we need<BR>> > to make sure that people from under represented groups are at the table and<BR>> > part of the conversation, even if we may not agree with what they are<BR>> > saying. It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people<BR>> > for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.<BR>> ><BR>> > I believe that Sue's original point was that this is a community event and<BR>> > at her first glance she did not see a woman on the panel. An event that is<BR>> > trying to reach beyond faith lines should have a diverse panel. I am very<BR>> > glad to see that it does, and I would imagine that there is plenty of<BR>> > diversity on the panel beyond the gender and race of those that are<BR>> > represented. We all should be trying to make spaces for diversity to enter<BR>> > into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those<BR>> > categories.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > -Mo<BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:46 -0700<BR>> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> > To: suehovey@moscow.com; mhamilto@vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1@msn.com;<BR>> > london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> ><BR>> > Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and<BR>> > sexual orientation? Does it matter?<BR>> ><BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan<BR>> ><BR>> > Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > Now I really stand corrected. Thanks so much.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sue<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Hamilton, Mary Jo<BR>> > To: Sue Hovey ; keely emerinemix ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM<BR>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> > Chris Vaughn, representing the Bahai community, is also a woman.<BR>> ><BR>> > Mary Jo<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> > On Behalf Of Sue Hovey<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM<BR>> > To: keely emerinemix; Bill London; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> ><BR>> > OOPS. I didn't see Kayle's name. Sorry for the comment. But even so, 1 of<BR>> > 8 isn't all that representative. Trinity Baptist, where I used to<BR>> > attend has never chosen to involve itself in any local Interfaith<BR>> > efforts. The congregation perceives that kind of involvement as a dilution<BR>> > of Baptist tenets.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sue<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: keely emerinemix<BR>> > To: Sue Hovey ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:51 AM<BR>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> > Kayle Rice is the female pastor of the UU . . . what saddens me, though, is<BR>> > the decision of conservative Christian churches to not involve themselves in<BR>> > this.<BR>> ><BR>> > Keely<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>> > To: london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:34:04 -0700<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> ><BR>> > It looks interesting--too bad, though, women on the Palouse must be thought<BR>> > not to have any thoughts that would be valued in this setting.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sue Hovey<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Bill London<BR>> > To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:01 PM<BR>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > There will be a panel discussion this coming Thursday, May 15 7pm -9pm at<BR>> > the 1912 Center in Moscow<BR>> ><BR>> > Subject: Promoting Peace and Harmony on the Palouse/ Spritiual Approches<BR>> > from Interfaith Perspectives<BR>> ><BR>> > Not only is this an important subject, it is the first interfaith panel we<BR>> > have had in a long time - and I hope you will come to learn and to support<BR>> > this effort. Come and bring your friends.<BR>> ><BR>> > Speakers: Rev. Kayle Rice, Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse<BR>> > (Moderator)<BR>> > Sayed Daoud, Pullman Islamic Center<BR>> > Lawrence Fox, Jewish Community of the Palouse<BR>> > Nicholas Gier, Prof Emeritus Philosophy, UI and Unitarian Church<BR>> > Walter Hesford, Prof. of English, UI and Emanuel Lutheran Church<BR>> > Ryder Stevens, US Army Chaplain, Christian Science Lecturer<BR>> > Chris Vaughn, Bahai, Community<BR>> ><BR>> > Summary by: Fr. Bill Taylor, St. Augustine Center, Moscow<BR>> ><BR>> > Questions/comments will be accepted from the floor<BR>> > Refreshments will be served<BR>> ><BR>> > Sponsored by: The Common Ministry WSU, Christian Science Society of<BR>> > Moscow-Pullman, Pullman Islamic Center, Unitarian Universalist Church of the<BR>> > Palouse<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. 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