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<A href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/YourCreditRating/LendersGoofSlamsCreditScores.aspx">http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Banking/YourCreditRating/LendersGoofSlamsCreditScores.aspx</A><BR><BR>> From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 23, Issue 122<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:42:37 -0700<BR>> <BR>> Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: Fruit Salad was "Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15"<BR>> (Mo Hendrickson)<BR>> 2. Re: Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15 (Tom Hansen)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:38:04 -0700<BR>> From: Mo Hendrickson <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fruit Salad was "Interfaith Panel Thurs. May<BR>> 15"<BR>> To: Chasuk <chasuk@gmail.com><BR>> Cc: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Message-ID: <BAY110-W55CB86BC7883BB81F092E7FECE0@phx.gbl><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> Chas-<BR>> <BR>> I totally agree with you on the fruit salad. When I said that one day we wouldn't need to rely on those categories it was the idealist in me hoping that one day we can all appreciate the differences among us and not wall ourselves off into homogeneous groups that banter and spit on each other like children on a playground. The realist in me knows that we are far from celebrating differences and living in harmony, but I believe that it could one day happen. <BR>> <BR>> I would love to live in a fruit salad society! There are so many good "fruits" out there!<BR>> <BR>> -Mo<BR>> <BR>> PS- While I at times have been mistaken for a male in the restroom, I am at the moment female. I know that Mo is one of those names that isn't gender specific. No offense was taken for you using the male pronoun, I just that I would let you know. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:36:42 -0700> From: chasuk@gmail.com> To: hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> CC: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; suehovey@moscow.com; mhamilto@vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1@msn.com; london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Donovan Arnold> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> asked:> > > Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and> > sexual orientation? Does it matter?> > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Mo Hendrickson> <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu> replied:> > > It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people> > for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.> > And:> > > We all should be trying to make spaces for diversity to enter> > into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those> > categories.> > For Mo's first point, unconditional agreement. For his latter point,> I pr!<BR>> ovisionally agree, as long as we are not talking about> homogenizing those categories to the point that they are nonexistent.> I'm not a melting pot proponent (an assimilationist). I'm a fruit> salad proponent (a multiculturalist). The Mauritian Catholic priest> Henri Souchon spoke of fruit salad and fruit compote. I wish I could> quote him directly, but I am depressingly monolingual. But I can> quote from someone who explicates his point very well:> > http://folk.uio.no/geirthe/Multiculturalism.html> > "... Souchon sees two possible scenarios for Mauritius regarding the> relationship between ethnic boundaries and the formation of identity> categories oblivious to ethnicity. He calls them the fruit salad and> the fruit compote, respectively. In the fruit salad, the components> are clearly distinct; ethnic boundaries are intact, and reflexively> "rooted" identites are secure and stable. In the fruit compote, on the> other hand, the different fruits are squashed and mixed tog!<BR>> ether with> substantial use of force. (This metaphor, it may be noted,<BR>> is a> variant of the American melting pot metaphor.) The result of the> compote de fruit, in p?re Souchon's view, would be uprootedness,> nihilism and confusion. He himself therefore supports the fruit salad> variety..."> > I was in a bookstore in Vancouver, B.C. a few years ago and read some> translated Souchon expressing these ideas, and they spoke to my> cosmopolitan soul. I've thought of myself as a fruit salad guy ever> since.> > Chas<BR>> -------------- next part --------------<BR>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> URL: http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20080514/78e376a8/attachment-0001.html <BR>> <BR>> ------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 2<BR>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:42:39 -0700<BR>> From: Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> To: Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com>, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> Cc: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Message-ID: <BAY134-W32FA1B0574CCFEC4156FCD2CE0@phx.gbl><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> Exactly, Andreas.<BR>> <BR>> Analogous to Arnold's (aka Doudalchri Wilcourwit) logic is the following syllogism<BR>> <BR>> One guaranteed way to reduce the number of criminals to ABSOLUTE ZERO is to eliminate ALL laws.<BR>> <BR>> No laws. No crimes.<BR>> No crimes. No criminals.<BR>> <BR>> Result: A total crime-free society. Just don't go outside.<BR>> <BR>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:38 -0700> From: ophite@gmail.com> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> CC: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Donovan --> > Wait. You're saying that discrimination exists because we refuse to ignore it?> > Sure. Okay.> > -- ACS> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Donovan Arnold> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Mo,> >> > I agree that discrimination still exists. But I think the reason why the US,> > unlike other western nations, has not moved past these hang ups is precisely> > because of the tactics used to try and end it.> >> > When we tell people they are wrong or should feel guilty because they are> > White, heterosexual, christian, non-disabled, male, etc, you quickly turn> > off the majority of people you are trying to convert.> >> > If we just hire, fire, include people based on merit, we would end> > discrimination quickly.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Mo Hendrickson !<BR>> <hend5953@vandals.uidaho.edu> wrote:> >> > It shouldn't matter, but unfortunately in our society, racism, sexism,> > classism, religious choice, sexual orientation, gender preference,> > disability, on and on and on, are still factors in discrimination. We do> > not live in a color blind/gender blind etc society and until we do we need> > to make sure that people from under represented groups are at the table and> > part of the conversation, even if we may not agree with what they are> > saying. It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people> > for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.> >> > I believe that Sue's original point was that this is a community event and> > at her first glance she did not see a woman on the panel. An event that is> > trying to reach beyond faith lines should have a diverse panel. I am very> > glad to see that it does, and I would imagine that there is plenty of> > diversity on the panel beyond t!<BR>> he gender and race of those that are> > represented. We all should be <BR>> trying to make spaces for diversity to enter> > into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those> > categories.> >> >> > -Mo> >> > ________________________________> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:46 -0700> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> > To: suehovey@moscow.com; mhamilto@vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1@msn.com;> > london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and> > sexual orientation? Does it matter?> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com> wrote:> >> > Now I really stand corrected. Thanks so much.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Hamilton, Mary Jo> > To: Sue Hovey ; keely emerinemix ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Chris Vaughn, representing the Bahai com!<BR>> munity, is also a woman.> >> > Mary Jo> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]> > On Behalf Of Sue Hovey> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > To: keely emerinemix; Bill London; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > OOPS. I didn't see Kayle's name. Sorry for the comment. But even so, 1 of> > 8 isn't all that representative. Trinity Baptist, where I used to> > attend has never chosen to involve itself in any local Interfaith> > efforts. The congregation perceives that kind of involvement as a dilution> > of Baptist tenets.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: keely emerinemix> > To: Sue Hovey ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:51 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Kayle Rice is the female pastor of the UU . . . what saddens me, though, is> > the decision of c!<BR>> onservative Christian churches to not involve themselves in> > this.> <BR>> >> > Keely> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > From: suehovey@moscow.com> > To: london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:34:04 -0700> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > It looks interesting--too bad, though, women on the Palouse must be thought> > not to have any thoughts that would be valued in this setting.> >> > Sue Hovey> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Bill London> > To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:01 PM> > Subject: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> >> > There will be a panel discussion this coming Thursday, May 15 7pm -9pm at> > the 1912 Center in Moscow> >> > Subject: Promoting Peace and Harmony on the Palouse/ Spritiual Approches> > from Interfaith Perspectives> >> > Not only is this an important subject, it is the first interfaith panel we> > have had in a long time - and I hope you will come to learn and to support> > this effort. C!<BR>> ome and bring your friends.> >> > Speakers: Rev. Kayle Rice, Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse> > (Moderator)> > Sayed Daoud, Pullman Islamic Center> > Lawrence Fox, Jewish Community of the Palouse> > Nicholas Gier, Prof Emeritus Philosophy, UI and Unitarian Church> > Walter Hesford, Prof. of English, UI and Emanuel Lutheran Church> > Ryder Stevens, US Army Chaplain, Christian Science Lecturer> > Chris Vaughn, Bahai, Community> >> > Summary by: Fr. Bill Taylor, St. Augustine Center, Moscow> >> > Questions/comments will be accepted from the floor> > Refreshments will be served> >> > Sponsored by: The Common Ministry WSU, Christian Science Society of> > Moscow-Pullman, Pullman Islamic Center, Unitarian Universalist Church of the> > Palouse> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.f!<BR>> sr.net> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> > ============================<BR>> ===========================> >> > ________________________________> > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. 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