<DIV>Andreas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You sound like a White Guy, therefore your opinion doesn't matter, if you follow Keely's belief. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No, I don't think we should ignore discrimination. But I don't think we should identify people based on their religion, race, creed, sexual orientation. gender etc. It is shallow. We should look at people based on merit and qualifications. Gender, race, creed, sexual orientation, religion, should not be factors in a job hunt or placement. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My name is not White-Male-Catholic. My name is Donovan. And I don't want to identified as a string of hyphenated categories that really tell you nothing about me as a person. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan --<BR><BR>Wait. You're saying that discrimination exists because we refuse to ignore it?<BR><BR>Sure. Okay.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR><BR>On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Mo,<BR>><BR>> I agree that discrimination still exists. But I think the reason why the US,<BR>> unlike other western nations, has not moved past these hang ups is precisely<BR>> because of the tactics used to try and end it.<BR>><BR>> When we tell people they are wrong or should feel guilty because they are<BR>> White, heterosexual, christian, non-disabled, male, etc, you quickly turn<BR>> off the majority of people you are trying to convert.<BR>><BR>> If we just hire, fire, include people based on merit, we would end<BR>> discrimination quickly.<BR>><BR>> Best Regards,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> Mo Hendrickson
<HEND5953@VANDALS.UIDAHO.EDU>wrote:<BR>><BR>> It shouldn't matter, but unfortunately in our society, racism, sexism,<BR>> classism, religious choice, sexual orientation, gender preference,<BR>> disability, on and on and on, are still factors in discrimination. We do<BR>> not live in a color blind/gender blind etc society and until we do we need<BR>> to make sure that people from under represented groups are at the table and<BR>> part of the conversation, even if we may not agree with what they are<BR>> saying. It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people<BR>> for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.<BR>><BR>> I believe that Sue's original point was that this is a community event and<BR>> at her first glance she did not see a woman on the panel. An event that is<BR>> trying to reach beyond faith lines should have a diverse panel. I am very<BR>> glad to see that it does, and I
would imagine that there is plenty of<BR>> diversity on the panel beyond the gender and race of those that are<BR>> represented. We all should be trying to make spaces for diversity to enter<BR>> into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those<BR>> categories.<BR>><BR>><BR>> -Mo<BR>><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:46 -0700<BR>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> To: suehovey@moscow.com; mhamilto@vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1@msn.com;<BR>> london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>><BR>> Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and<BR>> sexual orientation? Does it matter?<BR>><BR>> Best Regards,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> Sue Hovey <SUEHOVEY@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>> Now I really stand corrected. Thanks so much.<BR>><BR>>
Sue<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Hamilton, Mary Jo<BR>> To: Sue Hovey ; keely emerinemix ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> Chris Vaughn, representing the Bahai community, is also a woman.<BR>><BR>> Mary Jo<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> On Behalf Of Sue Hovey<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM<BR>> To: keely emerinemix; Bill London; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>><BR>> OOPS. I didn't see Kayle's name. Sorry for the comment. But even so, 1 of<BR>> 8 isn't all that representative. Trinity Baptist, where I used to<BR>> attend has never chosen to involve itself in any local Interfaith<BR>> efforts. The congregation
perceives that kind of involvement as a dilution<BR>> of Baptist tenets.<BR>><BR>> Sue<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: keely emerinemix<BR>> To: Sue Hovey ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:51 AM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>> Kayle Rice is the female pastor of the UU . . . what saddens me, though, is<BR>> the decision of conservative Christian churches to not involve themselves in<BR>> this.<BR>><BR>> Keely<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: suehovey@moscow.com<BR>> To: london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:34:04 -0700<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>><BR>> It looks interesting--too bad, though, women on the Palouse must be thought<BR>> not to have any thoughts that would be valued in this
setting.<BR>><BR>> Sue Hovey<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Bill London<BR>> To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<BR>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:01 PM<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15<BR>><BR>><BR>> There will be a panel discussion this coming Thursday, May 15 7pm -9pm at<BR>> the 1912 Center in Moscow<BR>><BR>> Subject: Promoting Peace and Harmony on the Palouse/ Spritiual Approches<BR>> from Interfaith Perspectives<BR>><BR>> Not only is this an important subject, it is the first interfaith panel we<BR>> have had in a long time - and I hope you will come to learn and to support<BR>> this effort. Come and bring your friends.<BR>><BR>> Speakers: Rev. Kayle Rice, Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse<BR>> (Moderator)<BR>> Sayed Daoud, Pullman Islamic Center<BR>> Lawrence Fox, Jewish Community of the Palouse<BR>> Nicholas Gier, Prof Emeritus Philosophy,
UI and Unitarian Church<BR>> Walter Hesford, Prof. of English, UI and Emanuel Lutheran Church<BR>> Ryder Stevens, US Army Chaplain, Christian Science Lecturer<BR>> Chris Vaughn, Bahai, Community<BR>><BR>> Summary by: Fr. Bill Taylor, St. Augustine Center, Moscow<BR>><BR>> Questions/comments will be accepted from the floor<BR>> Refreshments will be served<BR>><BR>> Sponsored by: The Common Ministry WSU, Christian Science Society of<BR>> Moscow-Pullman, Pullman Islamic Center, Unitarian Universalist Church of the<BR>> Palouse<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> =======================================================<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> =======================================================<BR>><BR>>
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