<DIV>Joe,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stay away from the Kool-Aid. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Notice the lengthy pause after a day of rapid fire responses.<BR><BR>They're trying to figure out what to say. Will it be:<BR><BR>a. "Joe [the logician] is illogical." <BR><BR>b. "Joe's been eating backed goods."<BR><BR>c. "I suppose Joe wants to punch me in the nose now."<BR><BR>d. "We don't have to believe you since you, Joe, are not a Christian. <BR>At least not in my [narrow] book"<BR><BR>Or:<BR><BR>e. "Look, I already told you that I sin every day!"<BR><BR>Please cast your votes!<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Tom Hansen <IDAHOTOM@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote: <BR><BR>=============<BR>No problem, Joe. As they say in New York . . . Fuhgeddaboutit. I
have. Besides, you have very nicely "outed" the Arnold-wannabe. Still the question remains: Who is playing Arnold today? Tom<BR><BR>> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:36:51 -0700> From: joekc@adelphia.net> To: joekc@adelphia.net> CC: idahotom@hotmail.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net; donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > I hope it is clear that I intended this as a joke! This is Aristotle's > understanding of "syllogism" but most folks (outside of logicians) in the > modern world take "syllogism" to mean "argument." Given standard > contemporary usage, Tom was correct!> > --> Joe Campbell> > ---- Joe Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET>wrote: > > =============> Sorry, Tom.> > A syllogism is a two-premise argument. The argument below has only one > premise, so it is not a syllogism.> > That concludes today's logic lesson!> > --> Joe Campbell> > ---- Tom
Hansen <IDAHOTOM@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote: > > =============> Exactly, Andreas.> > Analogous to Arnold's (aka Doudalchri Wilcourwit) logic is the following syllogism> > One guaranteed way to reduce the number of criminals to ABSOLUTE ZERO is to eliminate ALL laws.> > No laws. No crimes.> No crimes. No criminals.> > Result: A total crime-free society. Just don't go outside.> > Seeya round town, Moscow.> > Tom Hansen> Moscow, Idaho> > > > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:38 -0700> From: ophite@gmail.com> To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> CC: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Donovan --> > Wait. You're saying that discrimination exists because we refuse to ignore it?> > Sure. Okay.> > -- ACS> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Donovan Arnold> <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:> > Mo,> >> > I agree that
discrimination still exists. But I think the reason why the US,> > unlike other western nations, has not moved past these hang ups is precisely> > because of the tactics used to try and end it.> >> > When we tell people they are wrong or should feel guilty because they are> > White, heterosexual, christian, non-disabled, male, etc, you quickly turn> > off the majority of people you are trying to convert.> >> > If we just hire, fire, include people based on merit, we would end> > discrimination quickly.> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Mo Hendrickson !> <HEND5953@VANDALS.UIDAHO.EDU>wrote:> >> > It shouldn't matter, but unfortunately in our society, racism, sexism,> > classism, religious choice, sexual orientation, gender preference,> > disability, on and on and on, are still factors in discrimination. We do> > not live in a color blind/gender
blind etc society and until we do we need> > to make sure that people from under represented groups are at the table and> > part of the conversation, even if we may not agree with what they are> > saying. It is important that we realize the inherent worth in all people> > for what they have to contribute to the betterment of our nation and world.> >> > I believe that Sue's original point was that this is a community event and> > at her first glance she did not see a woman on the panel. An event that is> > trying to reach beyond faith lines should have a diverse panel. I am very> > glad to see that it does, and I would imagine that there is plenty of> > diversity on the panel beyond t!> he gender and race of those that are> > represented. We all should be > trying to make spaces for diversity to enter> > into the conversation so that one day we won't need to rely on those> > categories.>
>> >> > -Mo> >> > ________________________________> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:46 -0700> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> > To: suehovey@moscow.com; mhamilto@vetmed.wsu.edu; kjajmix1@msn.com;> > london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > Why are some people so obsessed with a person's gender, race, religion, and> > sexual orientation? Does it matter?> >> > Best Regards,> >> > Donovan> >> > Sue Hovey <SUEHOVEY@MOSCOW.COM>wrote:> >> > Now I really stand corrected. Thanks so much.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Hamilton, Mary Jo> > To: Sue Hovey ; keely emerinemix ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15>
> Chris Vaughn, representing the Bahai com!> munity, is also a woman.> >> > Mary Jo> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]> > On Behalf Of Sue Hovey> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:08 AM> > To: keely emerinemix; Bill London; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > OOPS. I didn't see Kayle's name. Sorry for the comment. But even so, 1 of> > 8 isn't all that representative. Trinity Baptist, where I used to> > attend has never chosen to involve itself in any local Interfaith> > efforts. The congregation perceives that kind of involvement as a dilution> > of Baptist tenets.> >> > Sue> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: keely emerinemix> > To: Sue Hovey ; Bill London ; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent:
Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:51 AM> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> > Kayle Rice is the female pastor of the UU . . . what saddens me, though, is> > the decision of c!> onservative Christian churches to not involve themselves in> > this.> > >> > Keely> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > From: suehovey@moscow.com> > To: london@moscow.com; vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:34:04 -0700> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> > It looks interesting--too bad, though, women on the Palouse must be thought> > not to have any thoughts that would be valued in this setting.> >> > Sue Hovey> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Bill London> > To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net> > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:01 PM> > Subject: [Vision2020]
Interfaith Panel Thurs. May 15> >> >> > There will be a panel discussion this coming Thursday, May 15 7pm -9pm at> > the 1912 Center in Moscow> >> > Subject: Promoting Peace and Harmony on the Palouse/ Spritiual Approches> > from Interfaith Perspectives> >> > Not only is this an important subject, it is the first interfaith panel we> > have had in a long time - and I hope you will come to learn and to support> > this effort. C!> ome and bring your friends.> >> > Speakers: Rev. Kayle Rice, Unitarian Universalist Church of the Palouse> > (Moderator)> > Sayed Daoud, Pullman Islamic Center> > Lawrence Fox, Jewish Community of the Palouse> > Nicholas Gier, Prof Emeritus Philosophy, UI and Unitarian Church> > Walter Hesford, Prof. of English, UI and Emanuel Lutheran Church> > Ryder Stevens, US Army Chaplain, Christian Science Lecturer> > Chris Vaughn, Bahai,
Community> >> > Summary by: Fr. Bill Taylor, St. Augustine Center, Moscow> >> > Questions/comments will be accepted from the floor> > Refreshments will be served> >> > Sponsored by: The Common Ministry WSU, Christian Science Society of> > Moscow-Pullman, Pullman Islamic Center, Unitarian Universalist Church of the> > Palouse> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.f!> sr.net> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> > ============================> ===========================> >> > ________________________________> > Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. Start> > sharing.> >> >
=======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> >> >> > =======================================================> > List services made available by First Step Internet,> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.> > http://www.fsr.net> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> > =======================================================> >> > =======================================================> List services made available by First Step Internet, > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. > http://www.fsr.net > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com> ======================================!> =================> >
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