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Have a lovely day, whoever you are.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:23:53 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] The Fetus is Not a Baby and is not a Person<br>To: kjajmix1@msn.com; joekc@adelphia.net<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com; nielsen@uidaho.edu<br><br><div>Rev Keely,</div> <div> </div> <div>I will hold my tongue on your liberal paranoid conspiracy theories. And not explore the question of why someone would pretend to be Donovan--because it is just as silly as most of your other nonsense. </div> <div> </div> <div>But I must point out that I used Joedus for two reasons. One, he called me "Dalovan", so that gave me license to abuse and distort his name, as he did mine. </div> <div> </div> <div>I chose Joedus because it was fitting for the role he takes on making traitorous statements and misleading others about Christ while pretending to be a Christian. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<br><br><br><b><i>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <style>
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</style> "Joedus"????? Well, Donovan, that's a little less than charitable, don'tcha think? But I'm pretty sure that you're not really Donovan, and I believe I detect the ineffably snotty voice of Chris Witmer . . . <br><br>If I'm wrong about the identity of the "faux Donovan," I'm nonetheless curious as to why these brave Christian men don't use their real names when fighting their version of the good fight. Masquerading as Donovan or keeping Farris on a short leash seems a little less than manly to me . . . <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br> <blockquote> <hr> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 17:48:36 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: joekc@adelphia.net<br>CC: Vision2020@moscow.com; nielsen@uidaho.edu<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Fetus is Not a Baby and is not a Person<br><br> <div>Joedus,</div> <div> </div> <div>I thought you were a Christian? If so, then you know that God sacrificed his
own flesh to show how much He loved the people he created. He is sinned against. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Dalovan,<br><br>So God is not all powerful? He is a victim, able to be taken over by mere <br>humans? There was nothing He could have done about it?<br><br>-- The Devil's Advocate<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold wrote: <br><br>=============<br>Chas,<br><br>Humans have free will. They were the ones that choose and did the torturing. Humans are the ones that demanded the sacrifice. I don't think God was to blame. <br><br>You just were talking to me earlier about the fallacies of thinking, that if you cannot see it, it must not be there. I think this is the case with you. You don't physically see God, so you don't believe in him,
and you don't see the situation, so you disagree with the solution. <br><br>God sacrificed himself , his own flesh, for you, not because he was a fool, but because it was the ultimate sacrifice, and the only one that humans could understand and see. <br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br>Chas wrote:<br>On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Donovan Arnold<br>wrote:<br><br>> God is the big prick when we were the ones that tortured and made his Son<br>> suffer? Something is messed up with that reasoning.<br><br>If I planned to have my children tortured, then I would be a big<br>prick, even if I arranged for Guido to do the actual torturing. Heck,<br>I would even have an excuse, being a mortal creature with limited<br>understanding. But God supposedly knows everything, and the best plan<br>he could come up with for our redemption involved the torture of his<br>only son.<br><br>But there is no way that I'm ever going to convince you, nor
you me,<br>so we should probably table this conversation. Note that I find it an<br>interesting topic, but it causes passions to run unacceptably high. I<br>love the message of Jesus, but I dislike the attached mythology. I<br>try to live by Christ's precepts, and it pains me that I always fail.<br>However, I partly blame the magical edifice. The edifice always seems<br>to get in the way of the message.<br><br>Chas<br><br><br><br>---------------------------------<br>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.<br></blockquote><br><br> <hr size="1"> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20" target="_blank">Try it now.</a></blockquote><br> <hr> Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. <a href="http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner" target="_blank">Learn
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