<DIV>Joedus,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I thought you were a Christian? If so, then you know that God sacrificed his own flesh to show how much He loved the people he created. He is sinned against. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Dalovan,<BR><BR>So God is not all powerful? He is a victim, able to be taken over by mere <BR>humans? There was nothing He could have done about it?<BR><BR>-- The Devil's Advocate<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <BR><BR>=============<BR>Chas,<BR><BR>Humans have free will. They were the ones that choose and did the torturing. Humans are the ones that demanded the sacrifice. I don't think God was to blame. <BR><BR>You just were talking to me earlier about the fallacies of thinking,
that if you cannot see it, it must not be there. I think this is the case with you. You don't physically see God, so you don't believe in him, and you don't see the situation, so you disagree with the solution. <BR><BR>God sacrificed himself , his own flesh, for you, not because he was a fool, but because it was the ultimate sacrifice, and the only one that humans could understand and see. <BR><BR>Best Regards,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Best Regards,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Chas <CHASUK@GMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR>On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR>wrote:<BR><BR>> God is the big prick when we were the ones that tortured and made his Son<BR>> suffer? Something is messed up with that reasoning.<BR><BR>If I planned to have my children tortured, then I would be a big<BR>prick, even if I arranged for Guido to do the actual torturing. Heck,<BR>I would even have an excuse, being a mortal creature with limited<BR>understanding. But God supposedly knows everything, and the
best plan<BR>he could come up with for our redemption involved the torture of his<BR>only son.<BR><BR>But there is no way that I'm ever going to convince you, nor you me,<BR>so we should probably table this conversation. Note that I find it an<BR>interesting topic, but it causes passions to run unacceptably high. I<BR>love the message of Jesus, but I dislike the attached mythology. I<BR>try to live by Christ's precepts, and it pains me that I always fail.<BR>However, I partly blame the magical edifice. The edifice always seems<BR>to get in the way of the message.<BR><BR>Chas<BR><BR><BR><BR>---------------------------------<BR>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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