<DIV>Joe,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Point of Order. I did not throw the first stone. Mr. Gier did. And I was not arguing with Chas we were discussing the merits of Christ. So please don't lie. But make no bones about it. If you someone attacks me, like Hansen or Gier, I will respond in kind. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you don't want me to tell the truth about Mr. Gier, tell him not to bash me in public. Don't step on a snake and complain when bitten. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I'm not familiar with it, Ralph. But thanks for the reference!<BR><BR>I should be clear that the point of my post was not to slam Christianity -- <BR>indeed, I am a Christian.<BR><BR>I just wanted to instill a
little humility in Dougovan and note that no world-<BR>view -- none to my knowledge, at least -- is without its problems. Maybe he'll <BR>lighten up a bit, and reflect on his own notable transgressions, rather than <BR>persist in always throwing the first stone, so to speak.<BR><BR>I also want to go on record as saying that Nick Gier is not anti-Christian and <BR>that his body of academic work is substantive and impressive. To say <BR>otherwise, is not to know what one is talking about and to degrade all <BR>philosophers on the Palouse, since Nick is clearly among the best. <BR><BR>I've never been offended by anything that Nick has said -- which is not to say <BR>that I've always agreed with him! I would say the same about you, Ralph!<BR><BR>Everyone needs a good challenge. But everyone needs respect, as well. I <BR>applaud respectful challenges, like mine, and Nick's, and Ralph's and hope <BR>that Christovan will drop the negative rhetoric from here on out.<BR><BR>Best,
Joe<BR><BR>---- Ralph Nielsen <NIELSEN@UIDAHO.EDU>wrote: <BR><BR>=============<BR>Joe and others, I suppose you're familiar with Bart D. Ehrman's <BR>latest book, God's Problem; How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most <BR>Important Questions---Why We Suffer.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR><BR><BR><BR>Joe Campbell joekc at adelphia.net wrote:<BR><BR>Fri May 9 06:43:19 PDT 2008<BR><BR>Dalovan,<BR><BR>So God is not all powerful? He is a victim, able to be taken over by <BR>mere<BR>humans? There was nothing He could have done about it?<BR><BR>-- The Devil's Advocate<BR><BR>=============<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005 yahoo.com at>wrote:<BR><BR>Chas,<BR><BR>Humans have free will. They were the ones that choose and did the <BR>torturing. Humans are the ones that demanded the sacrifice. I don't <BR>think God was to blame.<BR><BR>You just were talking to me earlier about the fallacies of <BR>thinking, that if you cannot see it, it must not be there. I think <BR>this is the case
with you. You don't physically see God, so you don't <BR>believe in him, and you don't see the situation, so you disagree with <BR>the solution.<BR><BR>God sacrificed himself , his own flesh, for you, not because he <BR>was a fool, but because it was the ultimate sacrifice, and the only <BR>one that humans could understand and see.<BR><BR>Best Regards,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net <BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>=======================================================<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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