<DIV>Chas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Humans have free will. They were the ones that choose and did the torturing. Humans are the ones that demanded the sacrifice. I don't think God was to blame. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You just were talking to me earlier about the fallacies of thinking, that if you cannot see it, it must not be there. I think this is the case with you. You don't physically see God, so you don't believe in him, and you don't see the situation, so you disagree with the solution. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>God sacrificed himself , his own flesh, for you, not because he was a fool, but because it was the ultimate sacrifice, and the only one that humans could understand and see. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Chas <chasuk@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> God is the big prick when we were the ones that tortured and made his Son<BR>> suffer? Something is messed up with that reasoning.<BR><BR>If I planned to have my children tortured, then I would be a big<BR>prick, even if I arranged for Guido to do the actual torturing. Heck,<BR>I would even have an excuse, being a mortal creature with limited<BR>understanding. But God supposedly knows everything, and the best plan<BR>he could come up with for our redemption involved the torture of his<BR>only son.<BR><BR>But there is no way that I'm ever going to convince you, nor you me,<BR>so we should probably table this conversation. Note that I find it an<BR>interesting topic, but it causes passions to run unacceptably high. I<BR>love the message of Jesus, but I dislike the attached mythology. I<BR>try to live
by Christ's precepts, and it pains me that I always fail.<BR>However, I partly blame the magical edifice. The edifice always seems<BR>to get in the way of the message.<BR><BR>Chas<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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