<DIV>Ralph asks,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"What does God think human beings are worth?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Answer: He gave up his one and only Son. That is what he thinks human beings are worth. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR> <BR><BR><B><I>Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Thank you, Nick.<BR><BR>What does God think human beings are worth?<BR><BR>"When a person makes an explicit vow to Yahweh (the LORD) concerning <BR>the equivalent for a human being, the equivalent for a male shall be: <BR>from 20 to 60 years of age the equivalent shall be 50 shekels of <BR>silver by the sanctuary shekel. If the person is a female, the <BR>equivalent is 30 shekels. If the age is from 5 to 20 years of age, <BR>the equivalent is 20 shekels for a male and 10 shekels for a
female. <BR>If the age is from 1 month to 5 years, the equivalent for male is 5 <BR>shekels of silver, and for a female, the equivalent is 3 shekels of <BR>silver. And if the person is 60 years old or over, then the <BR>equivalent for a male is 15 shekels, and for a female 10 <BR>shekels" (Leviticus 27:2-7).<BR><BR>Note that in the eyes of the LORD a girl or a woman is worth only <BR>half as much as a boy or a man. And if the person is under 1 month <BR>old, he or she has no value to God at all.<BR><BR>However, even though a baby and, presumably, a fetus as well, have no <BR>value to God, an accidentally aborted fetus is still worth something <BR>to the expectant father. The man who caused the miscarriage must pay <BR>whatever price the father demands, subject to the opinion of the <BR>judges. See Exodus 21:22.<BR><BR>In biblical law wives, children and slaves are a man's property and <BR>must be respected as such.<BR><BR>Ralph Nielsen<BR><BR><BR><BR>Nick Gier ngier at
uidaho.edu<BR>Wed May 7 08:58:06 PDT 2008<BR><BR>Good Morning Visionaries:<BR><BR>I'm continually amazed at those Visionaries who still think they can<BR>have a dialogue with Donovan Arnold, but let me just weigh in, once<BR>again, on the issue of abortion. If you want the entire argument you<BR>should go to www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/abortion.htm.<BR><BR>If one studies human physiology or even looks up things up in a<BR>dictionary, there are distinct and proper terms for the development<BR>of the human species from the fertilization of the egg--it is then<BR>called a conceptus--to its implantation in the womb--it is then an<BR>embryo--and then after that it becomes a fetus. It is not a baby<BR>until it is born.<BR><BR>On this point, I like to quote a famous Roman Catholic philosopher:<BR>"To admit that the human fetus receives the intellectual soul from<BR>the moment of its conception, when matter is in no way ready for it,<BR>sounds to me like a philosophical absurdity.
It is as absurd as to<BR>call a fertilized ovum a baby." (Jacques Maritain) Maritain is<BR>simply following Thomas Aquinas, declared infallible by Pope Pius IX,<BR>who argued, following Aristotle and in line with fetal physiology,<BR>that the fetus does not have a significant mental live until the<BR>third trimester.<BR><BR>As I have posted many times on this list, our moral, legal, and<BR>religious tradition has not consistently called a human fetus a moral<BR>and legal person until late in pregnancy. This means that the Roe v.<BR>Wade is the traditional, and therefore conservative, position on<BR>abortion. Roman Catholic philosophers who attempted to use genetic<BR>theory to wrongly fuse genetic identity with personal identity were<BR>just confused liberals.<BR><BR>[snip]<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net
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