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<DIV><SPAN class=labset minmax_bound="true">(<EM><SPAN class=ital-inline
minmax_bound="true">used with a singular or plural verb</SPAN><IMG
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src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png" border=0
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<TD vAlign=top minmax_bound="true">to produce (spawn).
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<DIV>to give birth to; give rise to: <SPAN class=ital-inline
minmax_bound="true"><EM>His sudden disappearance spawned many
rumors.</EM></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><SPAN><EM><FONT
color=#558811>—Synonyms </FONT></EM>7</SPAN><STRONG>.</STRONG> engender,
generate, yield, beget.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><EM><FONT face=Arial>I'm
sorry if my choice of noun causes you problems. I'm not sure why it
should. I suspect it has more to do with your dislike for my viewpoint
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<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><EM><FONT face=Arial>I
actually have zero contempt for the progeny of illegal aliens (provided
that they refrain from becoming gang members, felons, or a general burden
to America) and would be greatly in favor for an expedited pathway to
citizenship for them should the problems with the 14th Amendment ever be
rectified. After all, they did not break any laws <FONT size=2>in their
arrival to this country.</FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 05, 2008 8:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to
Delay Mexican Consulate</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Do you think that referring to the children of undocumented
immigrants as "spawn" really helps your argument? Your contempt is
showing, and it's really ugly.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A><BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A><BR>> Date: Mon, 5 May
2008 13:01:12 -0700<BR>> CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>>
<BR>> What part of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" do you not
<BR>> understand?<BR>> Illegal aliens and their spawn are subject to the
jurisdictions of their <BR>> countries of origin. This phrase was included
in the amendment for a reason. <BR>> To say otherwise is to disregard all
of the subsequent case law. If the <BR>> amendment was intended to apply to
all people born within the United States <BR>> why were Indians, Chinese,
foreign visitors and ambassadors all immediately <BR>> excluded? Since this
matter has not been directly addressed by the Supreme <BR>> Court it is
disingenuous to pretend that this is a cut and dried issue.<BR>> <BR>>
g<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Andreas Schou"
<ophite@gmail.com><BR>> To: "g. crabtree"
<jampot@roadrunner.com><BR>> Cc: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:49 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali
Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Gary --<BR>>
<BR>> You quoted a co-author of the amendment, but not the text of
the<BR>> actual amendment.<BR>> <BR>> "All persons born or
naturalized in the United States, and subject to<BR>> the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the<BR>> State wherein
they reside."<BR>> <BR>> What part of "all persons born or naturalized"
do you not understand?<BR>> The text of the amendment overrides any
statement of intent by its<BR>> authors. If they intended the amendment to
mean something other than<BR>> its plain meaning (or if they intended the
amendment to express jus<BR>> sanguinis rather than jus soli), that's the
amendment they should've<BR>> written.<BR>> <BR>> Unfortunately,
conservative readings of the 14th amendment are as<BR>> openly BS as
liberal readings of the commerce clause.<BR>> <BR>> -- ACS<BR>>
<BR>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:49 AM, g. crabtree
<jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
"P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American<BR>>
> citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the<BR>> >
Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day."<BR>> ><BR>> > Not in
the Constitution, as such, but found in a misinterpretation of a<BR>> >
portion of the 14th amendment. At the time that this amendment was <BR>>
> ratified<BR>> > (1868) the U.S. had no immigration policy. The
clause Mr. Schou refers to<BR>> > was intended to address the status of
freed slaves and overturn the Dred<BR>> > Scott decision. According to
amendment Co-author Ohio Senator Jacob <BR>> > Howard:<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Every person born within the
limits of the United States, and subject to<BR>> > their jurisdiction,
is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen<BR>> > of the
United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in <BR>> >
the<BR>> > United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the
families of<BR>> > ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the
Government of the <BR>> > United<BR>> > States, but will include
every other class of persons. It settles the <BR>> > great<BR>> >
question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or
<BR>> > are<BR>> > not citizens of the United States. This has
long been a great desideratum <BR>> > in<BR>> > the jurisprudence
and legislation of this country.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > Clearly, this amendment was not intended to extend legal
status to <BR>> > children<BR>> > born in this country by legal
aliens much less aliens who are already<BR>> > breaking U.S. law by
overstaying a visa or making a illegal boarder<BR>> > crossing. This was
confirmed by the supreme court in 1884. No change to <BR>> > the<BR>>
> Constitution would be required to end the practice of extending <BR>>
> citizenship<BR>> > to the offspring of aliens in this country
illegally.<BR>> > g<BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> > From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite@gmail.com><BR>> >
To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> > Cc:
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> ><BR>> > Sent: Sunday, May 04,
2008 2:38 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay
Mexican Consulate<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan
--<BR>> ><BR>> > You are misinformed.<BR>> ><BR>> >
It's frequently, and correctly, been ruled that illegal immigrants<BR>>
> can't be denied emergency health care, but the requirements to
prove<BR>> > citizenship for federally-funded services like Medicaid and
TANF are<BR>> > onerous at best*. In order to get either, you have to
provide<BR>> > documentation of both citizenship and identity: in other
words, a<BR>> > birth certificate and a driver's license.<BR>>
><BR>> > -- ACS<BR>> ><BR>> > P.S. Children of illegal
immigrants born on American soil or American<BR>> > citizens. If you
disagree with that, go ahead and change the<BR>> > Constitution -- it's
in there, plain as day.<BR>> ><BR>> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06
AM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> > <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
wrote:<BR>> > > Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and
intentionally<BR>> > > deceptive.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Illegal aliens, the same as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally<BR>>
> > entitled to get education, emergency medical services, welfare, low
<BR>> > > income<BR>> > > housing, and other tax supported
services intended to go to US citizens.<BR>> > She<BR>> > >
knows courts have ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal<BR>>
> status.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So you can see her
statement<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "The consulates do not exist to
help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> > > taxpayer-supported
social services to which they are not, by reason of<BR>> > their<BR>>
> > immigration status, legally entitled.",<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner to make you
swallow<BR>> > it<BR>> > > down that my statement was false,
when she knows it wasn't.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The main
function of Mexican Consulates is to get illegal aliens access <BR>> >
> to<BR>> > > US taxpayer supported services. I said nothing about
the illegality of <BR>> > > the<BR>> > >
entitlement.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Each day 1000 illegal aliens
alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate to<BR>> > obtain<BR>> > >
"ID cards" which they force local government, through federal law, to<BR>>
> except<BR>> > > in place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which
only illegal immigrants<BR>> > do<BR>> > > not have. This
allows the people here illegally from Mexico to access<BR>> >
state<BR>> > > and federal services.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Keely is aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates
provide<BR>> > legal<BR>> > > and financial assistance to
illegal aliens so they can remain in the US.<BR>> > It<BR>> > >
is also known that the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid<BR>>
> > detection in the US while here illegally and how to cross the
boarder<BR>> > > illegally and not get caught.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so
naive as to believe<BR>> > > that the reason consulates exist, and
they get tens or hundreds of<BR>> > thousands<BR>> > > of
visitors by illegal aliens each years, is to show support for<BR>> >
diplomatic<BR>> > > and trade relations with the US and
Mexico.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Best Regards,<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>>
> ><BR>> > > keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com>
wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > As politely as possible, let me
respond to Donovan as someone who has<BR>> > spent<BR>> > > a
lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Bulls**t.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The consulates do not
exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> > >
taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of<BR>>
> their<BR>> > > immigration status, legally entitled. Suggesting
that they do is<BR>> > > recklessly, maliciously untrue. But it is
entirely understandable <BR>> > > coming<BR>> > > from
someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as <BR>> >
> Bill<BR>> > > Sali.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Keely<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > >
________________________________<BR>> > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008
22:01:27 -0700<BR>> > > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>>
> > To: joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> > > CC:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks
to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Joe,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Are you serious? Or are you
joking? If you have been anywhere outside <BR>> > > the<BR>> >
> protective bubble of a University, you must be joking.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates
exist is to get <BR>> > > illegal<BR>> > > aliens access to
US government services, like welfare, unemployment<BR>> > > benefits,
food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income <BR>> > >
housing,<BR>> > > legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US
citizens.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Second, you are wrong that
Americans would not take farm work if the <BR>> > > farm<BR>> >
> work paid a livable wage. If you believe that ANY workers should
be<BR>> > allowed<BR>> > > to be paid a sub-livable wage, than
you sir, need to rethink your <BR>> > > outlook<BR>> >
on<BR>> > > the value of a person.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped
beliefs.<BR>> > Illegal<BR>> > > aliens are not all a bunch of
dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4 an<BR>> > > hour. Most of them
are bright, intelligent, hard working inventive <BR>> > >
people,<BR>> > > certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers
they are competing<BR>> > with<BR>> > > in the US job market.
They work in the hospitality, construction,<BR>> > > manufacturing,
agriculture, automotive, and almost every other category <BR>> > >
in<BR>> > > the below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal
immigrants in <BR>> > > the<BR>> > > state willing and able
to work in the jobs lower class citizens can only<BR>> > do<BR>> >
> hurts their wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10
an<BR>> > hour<BR>> > > instead of $12? Because he can hire 30
others willing to do the work for<BR>> > the<BR>> > > $10. Same
goes for meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and other<BR>> >
> services and industries.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Joe, you
don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job<BR>> >
> making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others
<BR>> > > that<BR>> > > are willing to do the same job for
$9 and have 20 years experience, most<BR>> > of<BR>> > > them
not here legally? How many times have you had that happen to you,<BR>> >
Joe?<BR>> > > I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where
illegals are bunch of <BR>> > > dumb<BR>> > > educated
idiots that can only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They <BR>> >
> are<BR>> > > aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn
care providers,<BR>> > > manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing
livable wages for the bottom <BR>> > > 1/3<BR>> > > of the
work US workforce.<BR>> > > Real wages are on a decline, and most US
citizens are suffering as a<BR>> > result<BR>> > > of illegal
immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages, <BR>> > >
and<BR>> > > sometimes illegal wages.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages
<BR>> > > for<BR>> > > all US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal
immigration.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Best Regards,<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>>
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net> wrote:<BR>> > >
Donovan,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > How on earth will Sali's efforts
"keep illegal activities and illegal<BR>> > > immigrants<BR>> >
> out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do
<BR>> > > to<BR>> > > prove that they "won't aid illegal
aliens" and earn a Mexican consulate<BR>> > > here?<BR>> >
><BR>> > > And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty
of folks in <BR>> > > Idaho<BR>> > > and<BR>> > >
Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick <BR>>
> > fruit.<BR>> > > The problem is not with the Mexican
immigrants, and they aren't taking<BR>> > away<BR>> > > jobs
that would otherwise go to American citizens.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> --<BR>> > > Joe Campbell<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
---- Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
=============<BR>> > > I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely
because he is attempting to<BR>> > keep<BR>> > > illegal
activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has<BR>> >
enough<BR>> > > problems getting enough funding for its schools, and
providing other<BR>> > social<BR>> > > and medical services.
Having to provide for thousands of others who are<BR>> > not<BR>>
> > legal residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx
of<BR>> > labor<BR>> > > also reduces wages, something we also
can ill afford in Idaho.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Best
Regards,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>> > > Just when you thought that Bill
Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am <BR>> > > here<BR>> >
> to tell you . . .<BR>> > ><BR>> > > >From today's
(May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
-----------------------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate<BR>> > > Todd
Dvorak<BR>> > > Associated Press<BR>> > > May 1,
2008<BR>> > ><BR>> > > BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is
urging Secretary of State <BR>> > > Condoleezza<BR>> > >
Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the <BR>> >
> government<BR>> > > can show the office won't aid illegal
aliens.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sali, a conservative first-term
congressman, sent Rice a letter <BR>> > > Wednesday<BR>> > >
saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular
offices<BR>> > > will not help illegal aliens obtain identification
cards that can be <BR>> > > used<BR>> > > to receive
government services or other benefits.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
"Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into<BR>>
> > consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here
in<BR>> > > our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that
was made <BR>> > > available<BR>> > > to news media.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > "While I appreciate the important role that the
Mexican and other <BR>> > > foreign<BR>> > > consulates play
in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in<BR>> > >
distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at <BR>>
> > stake<BR>> > > here," he added.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to
assure<BR>> > > residents that a consular office would not be used to
aid illegal<BR>> > > immigration.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated<BR>>
> > Press on Wednesday.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In March,
Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an<BR>> > >
application for a consular office in Boise is pending.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican
consulate, but a grass-<BR>> > > roots effort to open one has been
under way for several years. <BR>> > > Supporters<BR>> > >
say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting
<BR>> > > a<BR>> > > Mexican consular presence in the
state.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
-----------------------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tom
Hansen<BR>> > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
"People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in<BR>>
> chat-<BR>> > > room forums are neither brave nor
clever."<BR>> > ><BR>> > > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne
Rausch (August 21,<BR>> > > 2007)<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
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