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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>While I think that Ms.Mix makes it relatively plain,
for the record and for those on this list whose reading & comprehension
skills could use a little refinement (you know who you are), it was not me
that made the cockroach remark. I'm only indirectly being associated with
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I never cease to be amazed at what the people who disagree
with me manage to read into what I write. Since Ms.Mix uses young Mexican
immigrants rather liberally and imprecisely, please let me be clear. Children
of ANY immigrant, illegal or no, whether they be hispanic, african, asian,
or white are, of coarse, blameless. Young, middle aged, and elderly
immigrants who follow the rules and come here legally are also fine by me.
Young, old, or otherwise "fill in the blank" immigrants who are here in
violation of US law are a different matter and I do, in fact, have a problem
with them. I also have a problem with gangs of every color and flavor, felons of
most all stripes, and all people who willfully place a burden on society when
they have the option to do otherwise. Attempting to portray me as a racist by
relying on what someone imagines they read between the lines or
"think" they discern from my choice of vocabulary strikes me as
decidedly "less than charitable."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=chasuk@gmail.com
href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com">Chasuk</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> "spawn" (was "Sali Seeks")</DIV>
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Dear Chas,<BR><BR>Please help me! I'm in a dilemma here -- am I
"playful," "intellectually dishonest" or "morally elite"? I'm getting
ready for my day and it's hard to know which shoes to wear . . . Keds?
Black stilettoes? Vegan Birkenstocks?<BR><BR>Anyway.<BR><BR>I do object
to "spawn," precisely because while it means "that which is begotten,"
"offspring," or "biologically reproduced," it doesn't, to me, reflect the
honor that human beings are due. I think of "spawn" in two ways:
One, as in "salmon spawning," which indicates instinctive, wild, massive
populating, or "spawn of Satan" -- baby Beelzebubs, or the New York
Yankees. I will charitably assume that Gary meant neither, but I wish he
had been more careful, given the too-common derision directed at Mexican
immigrants because (I'm quoting one correspondent who responded to an article
I'd written on another venue) "they breed like cockroaches." I think
Gary gives his point away when he says he has no problem with young Mexican
immigrants, as long as they don't become "gang members" or "felons," or
"a burden" to this great nation.<BR><BR>Well, that's a standard I'd like to
hold everyone to, and I think it's revealing, perhaps unintentionally so, of a
less-than-charitable way of
thinking.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> Date: Mon, 5
May 2008 21:58:55 -0700<BR>> From: chasuk@gmail.com<BR>> To:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to
Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> CC: kjajmix1@msn.com; jampot@roadrunner.com;
ophite@gmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> On Mon, May 5, 2008
at 9:04 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>
wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Why do liberals call them children when they are
illegal immigrants but an<BR>> > aborted fetus when they are an economic
inconvenience?<BR>> <BR>> This thread has grown puzzling. First, because
I am mystified by<BR>> Keey's objection to the use of the word "spawn." I
consider it nearly<BR>> synonymous with the word "offspring," both of which
I have used to<BR>> refer to my own children, with no derogatory intent. I
also refer to<BR>> my brothers and sisters as "siblings," and to my wife,
occasionally,<BR>> as "spouse."<BR>> <BR>> Donovan, I THINK this
diversion occurred because of your fractured sentence:<BR>> <BR>> "If
someone born here is born here in the commission of a crime<BR>> against
the country, I don't think you can argue that always<BR>> necessarily
entitles automatic citizenship."<BR>> <BR>> Keely playfully pointed out
the infants cannot be guilty of committing<BR>> any crime. I think that
this should be uncontroversial.<BR>> <BR>> So why the abortion hijack?
The obvious answer to your question --<BR>> obvious to this liberal, anyway
-- is that I call children "children"<BR>> and fetuses "fetuses." Setting
the semantic squabble aside, how is<BR>> your question a logical response
to anything that has come before?<BR>> <BR>> Chas<BR><BR>
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