<DIV>Andreas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a "library card"? ROFLMAO! Is that your strongest argument? Boy, are you going to be laughed at by any jury if you try to present such lame arguments as legitimate. Even you cannot believe that. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I never said a Mexican ID would get TANF, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. You brought those up. Illegal immigrants do get them, but not legally. What they get with a Mexican ID is a lot of services provided by the city and private businesses. Which allows them to stay in the country, illegally. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am glad we agree on the issue of cracking down on businesses that profiteer on illegal labor. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On
Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>> "I'm... baffled. If the legal help results in individuals staying in<BR>> the United States, their presence in the United States was ipso facto<BR>> legal. "Legal" is not a result of the government's assertion that an<BR>> act is legal or illegal; it's a result of the final adjudication of<BR>> the matter. That's the reason we have an independent judiciary."<BR>><BR>> Andreas,<BR>><BR>> I am not surprised that you are baffled since your think illegal immigration<BR>> is not illegal. But I will attempt to explain, anyway. When I said legal<BR>> help, I didn't mean help that was legal. I meant advice from their<BR>> government on how to evade US laws.<BR><BR>Illegal immigration is illegal. Illegal immigration is not a crime.<BR>Just as slander, for instance, is illegal... but also not a crime.<BR><BR>> "In what way, Donovan, does a Mexican
consulate identification card<BR>> help a Mexican citizen obtain services otherwise unavailable to them?<BR>> You keep asserting that Point A is connected to Point B, but have<BR>> never drawn the line. I suspect that that's because there's no line to<BR>> be drawn."<BR>><BR>> Three points; First, I have already answered this many times, and<BR>> specifically.<BR><BR>You have answered this several times: specifically and incorrectly.<BR>Your assertion has been that an identification card issued by a<BR>Mexican consulate allows Mexican citizens to legally receive services<BR>such as TANF, food stamps, Medicaid, student loans, housing, Medicare,<BR>and Social Security. Illegal immigrants can legally receive none of<BR>these things, card or no card. Even with identification, they must<BR>also provide proof of citizenship in order to do so.<BR><BR>In the state of Washington, at least, the necessary documentation must<BR>be scanned into the statewide system
before the computer will release<BR>welfare benefits. Unless the financial worker doing the intake<BR>falsifies a birth certificate right there on the spot, it is literally<BR>impossible for a non-citizen to actually receive any sort of social<BR>services provided through DSHS.<BR><BR>> Second, if getting an official ID card from Mexico didn't<BR>> provide them additional services and assistance, why would 1000s of Mexican<BR>> citizens everyday trek many miles by foot, car, bike, and bus, and wait for<BR>> hours in lines at Mexican Consulates to get one, do you think they are<BR>> idiots just killing time?<BR><BR>In order to be able to get a library card, present it to the police<BR>when asked for identification, be registered with their country's<BR>consulate if detained on immigration charges, be identified if dead,<BR>and obtain a bank account in the United States? Do you *really* give a<BR>shit if<BR><BR>> How would that impact your day, week, and
life not having any legal ID<BR>> of any kind, and how an ID accepted by sanctuary cities like LA, Boise,<BR>> Seattle, and other city government would improve that situation?<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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