<DIV>"I'm... baffled. If the legal help results in individuals staying in<BR>the United States, their presence in the United States was ipso facto<BR>legal. "Legal" is not a result of the government's assertion that an<BR>act is legal or illegal; it's a result of the final adjudication of<BR>the matter. That's the reason we have an independent judiciary."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Andreas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not surprised that you are baffled since your think illegal immigration is not illegal. But I will attempt to explain, anyway. When I said legal help, I didn't mean help that was legal. I meant advice from their government on how to evade US laws. <BR><BR>"Why not do anything to prevent companies from exploiting illegal<BR>laborers? How many businesses were shut down this year because of<BR>their use of illegal labor. Hint: the number is zero."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I agree, 100%. And I have said so 1000 times. We need to fine, punish, and
even shut down companies in the United States using illegal labor. That would be the quickest way to reduce the number of illegal laborers in the United States. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"In what way, Donovan, does a Mexican consulate identification card<BR>help a Mexican citizen obtain services otherwise unavailable to them?<BR>You keep asserting that Point A is connected to Point B, but have<BR>never drawn the line. I suspect that that's because there's no line to<BR>be drawn."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Three points; First, I have already answered this many times, and specifically. Second, if getting an official ID card from Mexico didn't provide them additional services and assistance, why would 1000s of Mexican citizens everyday trek many miles by foot, car, bike, and bus, and wait for hours in lines at Mexican Consulates to get one, do you think they are idiots just killing time? Finally, why don't you put your lawyer researching skills to
work and look up the benefits of having a Mexican ID in the United States yourself, and do some critical thinking on the disadvantages of living in the United States with no identification. How would that impact your day, week, and life not having any legal ID of any kind, and how an ID accepted by sanctuary cities like LA, Boise, Seattle, and other city government would improve that situation? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Andreas,<BR>><BR>> My argument is this. When you open a Mexican Consulate, more illegal<BR>> laborers come to the community because they get services and legal help to<BR>> stay in the country
illegally.<BR><BR>I'm... baffled. If the legal help results in individuals staying in<BR>the United States, their presence in the United States was ipso facto<BR>legal. "Legal" is not a result of the government's assertion that an<BR>act is legal or illegal; it's a result of the final adjudication of<BR>the matter. That's the reason we have an independent judiciary.<BR><BR>> The illegal laborers drive down wages so that<BR>> US Citizens cannot get a fair wage for a days work. They shut down<BR>> businesses trying to hire only legal labor because they cannot compete with<BR>> the companies using illegal labor.<BR><BR>Why not do anything to prevent companies from exploiting illegal<BR>laborers? How many businesses were shut down this year because of<BR>their use of illegal labor. Hint: the number is zero.<BR><BR>> You only need one so<BR>> you have the space to process the illegal laborers, get them ID Cards so<BR>> they can access social services, get
bank accounts, housing, ect., in the<BR>> community they plan to work illegal in.<BR><BR>In what way, Donovan, does a Mexican consulate identification card<BR>help a Mexican citizen obtain services otherwise unavailable to them?<BR>You keep asserting that Point A is connected to Point B, but have<BR>never drawn the line. I suspect that that's because there's no line to<BR>be drawn.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net <BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>=======================================================<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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