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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>oops. in favor of, not for. effective proof reading is not
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to
Delay Mexican Consulate</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=labset minmax_bound="true">(<EM><SPAN class=ital-inline
minmax_bound="true">used with a singular or plural verb</SPAN><IMG
class=luna-Img alt=""
src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png"
border=0 minmax_bound="true"></EM>) </SPAN>any person or thing regarded
as the offspring of some stock, idea, etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>to give birth to; give rise to: <SPAN class=ital-inline
minmax_bound="true"><EM>His sudden disappearance spawned many
rumors.</EM></SPAN></DIV>
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minmax_bound="true"><EM></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><SPAN><EM><FONT
color=#558811>—Synonyms </FONT></EM>7</SPAN><STRONG>.</STRONG> engender,
generate, yield, beget.</SPAN></DIV>
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minmax_bound="true"><EM></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><EM><FONT
face=Arial>I'm sorry if my choice of noun causes you problems. I'm not
sure why it should. I suspect it has more to do with your dislike for my
viewpoint than the actual word choice.</FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=ital-inline minmax_bound="true"><EM><FONT face=Arial>I
actually have zero contempt for the progeny of illegal aliens (provided
that they refrain from becoming gang members, felons, or a general
burden to America) and would be greatly in favor for an expedited
pathway to citizenship for them should the problems with the 14th
Amendment ever be rectified. After all, they did not break any laws
<FONT size=2>in their arrival to this
country.</FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=ophite@gmail.com href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 05, 2008 8:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to
Delay Mexican Consulate</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Do you think that referring to the children of undocumented
immigrants as "spawn" really helps your argument? Your contempt
is showing, and it's really ugly.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> From:
<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A><BR>> To:
<A href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A><BR>> Date: Mon, 5
May 2008 13:01:12 -0700<BR>> CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>>
<BR>> What part of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" do you not
<BR>> understand?<BR>> Illegal aliens and their spawn are subject to
the jurisdictions of their <BR>> countries of origin. This phrase was
included in the amendment for a reason. <BR>> To say otherwise is to
disregard all of the subsequent case law. If the <BR>> amendment was
intended to apply to all people born within the United States <BR>> why
were Indians, Chinese, foreign visitors and ambassadors all immediately
<BR>> excluded? Since this matter has not been directly addressed by the
Supreme <BR>> Court it is disingenuous to pretend that this is a cut and
dried issue.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "Andreas Schou" <ophite@gmail.com><BR>> To: "g.
crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><BR>> Cc: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:49 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali
Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Gary --<BR>>
<BR>> You quoted a co-author of the amendment, but not the text of
the<BR>> actual amendment.<BR>> <BR>> "All persons born or
naturalized in the United States, and subject to<BR>> the jurisdiction
thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the<BR>> State wherein
they reside."<BR>> <BR>> What part of "all persons born or
naturalized" do you not understand?<BR>> The text of the amendment
overrides any statement of intent by its<BR>> authors. If they intended
the amendment to mean something other than<BR>> its plain meaning (or if
they intended the amendment to express jus<BR>> sanguinis rather than jus
soli), that's the amendment they should've<BR>> written.<BR>> <BR>>
Unfortunately, conservative readings of the 14th amendment are as<BR>>
openly BS as liberal readings of the commerce clause.<BR>> <BR>> --
ACS<BR>> <BR>> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:49 AM, g. crabtree
<jampot@roadrunner.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
"P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or
American<BR>> > citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and
change the<BR>> > Constitution -- it's in there, plain as
day."<BR>> ><BR>> > Not in the Constitution, as such, but found
in a misinterpretation of a<BR>> > portion of the 14th amendment. At
the time that this amendment was <BR>> > ratified<BR>> > (1868)
the U.S. had no immigration policy. The clause Mr. Schou refers to<BR>>
> was intended to address the status of freed slaves and overturn the
Dred<BR>> > Scott decision. According to amendment Co-author Ohio
Senator Jacob <BR>> > Howard:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > "Every person born within the limits of the United States,
and subject to<BR>> > their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law
and national law a citizen<BR>> > of the United States. This will not,
of course, include persons born in <BR>> > the<BR>> > United
States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of<BR>>
> ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the
<BR>> > United<BR>> > States, but will include every other class
of persons. It settles the <BR>> > great<BR>> > question of
citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or <BR>> >
are<BR>> > not citizens of the United States. This has long been a
great desideratum <BR>> > in<BR>> > the jurisprudence and
legislation of this country.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
> Clearly, this amendment was not intended to extend legal status to
<BR>> > children<BR>> > born in this country by legal aliens
much less aliens who are already<BR>> > breaking U.S. law by
overstaying a visa or making a illegal boarder<BR>> > crossing. This
was confirmed by the supreme court in 1884. No change to <BR>> >
the<BR>> > Constitution would be required to end the practice of
extending <BR>> > citizenship<BR>> > to the offspring of aliens
in this country illegally.<BR>> > g<BR>> ><BR>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Andreas Schou"
<ophite@gmail.com><BR>> > To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> > Cc:
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> ><BR>> > Sent: Sunday, May
04, 2008 2:38 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay
Mexican Consulate<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >
Donovan --<BR>> ><BR>> > You are misinformed.<BR>>
><BR>> > It's frequently, and correctly, been ruled that illegal
immigrants<BR>> > can't be denied emergency health care, but the
requirements to prove<BR>> > citizenship for federally-funded services
like Medicaid and TANF are<BR>> > onerous at best*. In order to get
either, you have to provide<BR>> > documentation of both citizenship
and identity: in other words, a<BR>> > birth certificate and a
driver's license.<BR>> ><BR>> > -- ACS<BR>> ><BR>> >
P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or
American<BR>> > citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and
change the<BR>> > Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day.<BR>>
><BR>> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Donovan Arnold<BR>>
> <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>> > > Rev.
Keely is being dishonest with her statements and intentionally<BR>> >
> deceptive.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Illegal aliens, the same
as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally<BR>> > > entitled to
get education, emergency medical services, welfare, low <BR>> > >
income<BR>> > > housing, and other tax supported services intended
to go to US citizens.<BR>> > She<BR>> > > knows courts have
ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal<BR>> >
status.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So you can see her
statement<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "The consulates do not exist
to help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> > >
taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason
of<BR>> > their<BR>> > > immigration status, legally
entitled.",<BR>> > ><BR>> > > is a big meaningless pile of
sh*t worded in a manner to make you swallow<BR>> > it<BR>> >
> down that my statement was false, when she knows it wasn't.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > The main function of Mexican Consulates is to
get illegal aliens access <BR>> > > to<BR>> > > US
taxpayer supported services. I said nothing about the illegality of <BR>>
> > the<BR>> > > entitlement.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Each day 1000 illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate
to<BR>> > obtain<BR>> > > "ID cards" which they force local
government, through federal law, to<BR>> > except<BR>> > > in
place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which only illegal
immigrants<BR>> > do<BR>> > > not have. This allows the
people here illegally from Mexico to access<BR>> > state<BR>> >
> and federal services.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Keely is
aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates provide<BR>> >
legal<BR>> > > and financial assistance to illegal aliens so they
can remain in the US.<BR>> > It<BR>> > > is also known that
the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid<BR>> > > detection
in the US while here illegally and how to cross the boarder<BR>> >
> illegally and not get caught.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I am
guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so naive as to believe<BR>>
> > that the reason consulates exist, and they get tens or hundreds
of<BR>> > thousands<BR>> > > of visitors by illegal aliens
each years, is to show support for<BR>> > diplomatic<BR>> > >
and trade relations with the US and Mexico.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Best Regards,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > keely emerinemix
<kjajmix1@msn.com> wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > As
politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan as someone who has<BR>>
> spent<BR>> > > a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in
Seattle.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Bulls**t.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > The consulates do not exist to help Mexican
immigrants gain access to<BR>> > > taxpayer-supported social
services to which they are not, by reason of<BR>> > their<BR>> >
> immigration status, legally entitled. Suggesting that they do
is<BR>> > > recklessly, maliciously untrue. But it is entirely
understandable <BR>> > > coming<BR>> > > from someone as
misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as <BR>> > >
Bill<BR>> > > Sali.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Keely<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > >
________________________________<BR>> > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008
22:01:27 -0700<BR>> > > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>>
> > To: joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> > > CC:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks
to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Joe,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Are you serious? Or are you
joking? If you have been anywhere outside <BR>> > > the<BR>>
> > protective bubble of a University, you must be joking.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > First off, the only reason that Mexican
Consulates exist is to get <BR>> > > illegal<BR>> > >
aliens access to US government services, like welfare, unemployment<BR>>
> > benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income
<BR>> > > housing,<BR>> > > legal aid, and jobs, that
would otherwise go to US citizens.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the
<BR>> > > farm<BR>> > > work paid a livable wage. If you
believe that ANY workers should be<BR>> > allowed<BR>> > > to
be paid a sub-livable wage, than you sir, need to rethink your <BR>> >
> outlook<BR>> > on<BR>> > > the value of a
person.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Third, your statements reveal
your racists and stereotyped beliefs.<BR>> > Illegal<BR>> > >
aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4
an<BR>> > > hour. Most of them are bright, intelligent, hard
working inventive <BR>> > > people,<BR>> > > certainly
more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers they are competing<BR>> >
with<BR>> > > in the US job market. They work in the hospitality,
construction,<BR>> > > manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and
almost every other category <BR>> > > in<BR>> > > the
below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in <BR>>
> > the<BR>> > > state willing and able to work in the jobs
lower class citizens can only<BR>> > do<BR>> > > hurts their
wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an<BR>> >
hour<BR>> > > instead of $12? Because he can hire 30 others willing
to do the work for<BR>> > the<BR>> > > $10. Same goes for
meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and other<BR>> > >
services and industries.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Joe, you don't
live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job<BR>> > >
making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others
<BR>> > > that<BR>> > > are willing to do the same job for
$9 and have 20 years experience, most<BR>> > of<BR>> > > them
not here legally? How many times have you had that happen to you,<BR>>
> Joe?<BR>> > > I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where
illegals are bunch of <BR>> > > dumb<BR>> > > educated
idiots that can only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They <BR>> >
> are<BR>> > > aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn
care providers,<BR>> > > manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing
livable wages for the bottom <BR>> > > 1/3<BR>> > > of the
work US workforce.<BR>> > > Real wages are on a decline, and most
US citizens are suffering as a<BR>> > result<BR>> > > of
illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages, <BR>>
> > and<BR>> > > sometimes illegal wages.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.
Support livable wages <BR>> > > for<BR>> > > all US
workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> Best Regards,<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Donovan<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Joe Campbell
<joekc@adelphia.net> wrote:<BR>> > > Donovan,<BR>> >
><BR>> > > How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal
activities and illegal<BR>> > > immigrants<BR>> > > out of
the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do <BR>>
> > to<BR>> > > prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens"
and earn a Mexican consulate<BR>> > > here?<BR>> >
><BR>> > > And just for the record, I'm sure that there are
plenty of folks in <BR>> > > Idaho<BR>> > > and<BR>>
> > Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to
pick <BR>> > > fruit.<BR>> > > The problem is not with the
Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking<BR>> > away<BR>> >
> jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > --<BR>> > > Joe Campbell<BR>> >
><BR>> > > ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > =============<BR>> > > I am voting to reelect Bill Sali
precisely because he is attempting to<BR>> > keep<BR>> > >
illegal activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho
has<BR>> > enough<BR>> > > problems getting enough funding
for its schools, and providing other<BR>> > social<BR>> > >
and medical services. Having to provide for thousands of others who
are<BR>> > not<BR>> > > legal residents is to much of a
burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of<BR>> > labor<BR>> > >
also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Best Regards,<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Donovan<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>> >
> Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am
<BR>> > > here<BR>> > > to tell you . . .<BR>> >
><BR>> > > >From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review
-<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
-----------------------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate<BR>> > > Todd
Dvorak<BR>> > > Associated Press<BR>> > > May 1,
2008<BR>> > ><BR>> > > BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is
urging Secretary of State <BR>> > > Condoleezza<BR>> > >
Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the <BR>>
> > government<BR>> > > can show the office won't aid illegal
aliens.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sali, a conservative first-term
congressman, sent Rice a letter <BR>> > > Wednesday<BR>> >
> saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular
offices<BR>> > > will not help illegal aliens obtain identification
cards that can be <BR>> > > used<BR>> > > to receive
government services or other benefits.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
"Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into<BR>>
> > consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens
here in<BR>> > > our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice
that was made <BR>> > > available<BR>> > > to news
media.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "While I appreciate the important
role that the Mexican and other <BR>> > > foreign<BR>> > >
consulates play in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens
in<BR>> > > distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not
the issue at <BR>> > > stake<BR>> > > here," he
added.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sali asserted that the State
Department has done little to assure<BR>> > > residents that a
consular office would not be used to aid illegal<BR>> > >
immigration.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > The State Department did
not return phone messages from the Associated<BR>> > > Press on
Wednesday.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > In March, Sali received a
letter from the State Department saying an<BR>> > > application for
a consular office in Boise is pending.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a
grass-<BR>> > > roots effort to open one has been under way for
several years. <BR>> > > Supporters<BR>> > > say they have
collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting <BR>> >
> a<BR>> > > Mexican consular presence in the state.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
-----------------------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tom
Hansen<BR>> > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
"People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers
in<BR>> > chat-<BR>> > > room forums are neither brave nor
clever."<BR>> > ><BR>> > > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne
Rausch (August 21,<BR>> > > 2007)<BR>> > ><BR>> >
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