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<DIV><FONT size=2>"P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or
American<BR>citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change
the<BR>Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not in the Constitution, as such, but found in a
misinterpretation of a portion of the 14th amendment. At the time that this
amendment was ratified (1868) the U.S. had no immigration policy. The clause Mr.
Schou refers to was intended to address the status of freed slaves and overturn
the Dred Scott decision. According to amendment Co-author Ohio Senator Jacob
Howard:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<P class=quote><FONT size=2>"Every person born within the limits of the United
States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and
national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include
persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the
families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the
United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the
great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or
are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in
the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.</FONT></P>
<P class=quote><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=quote><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clearly, this amendment was not intended
to extend legal status to children born in this country by legal
aliens much less aliens who are already breaking U.S. law by overstaying a visa
or making a illegal boarder crossing. This was confirmed by the supreme court in
1884. No change to the Constitution would be required to end the practice of
extending citizenship to the offspring of aliens in this country
illegally.</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Andreas Schou" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:38 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay
Mexican Consulate</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Donovan --<BR><BR>You are misinformed.<BR><BR>It's frequently, and
correctly, been ruled that illegal immigrants<BR>can't be denied emergency
health care, but the requirements to prove<BR>citizenship for federally-funded
services like Medicaid and TANF are<BR>onerous at best*. In order to get either,
you have to provide<BR>documentation of both citizenship and identity: in other
words, a<BR>birth certificate and a driver's license.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR><BR>P.S.
Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American<BR>citizens. If
you disagree with that, go ahead and change the<BR>Constitution -- it's in
there, plain as day.<BR><BR>On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Donovan
Arnold<BR><</FONT><A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> wrote:<BR>> Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and
intentionally<BR>> deceptive.<BR>><BR>> Illegal aliens, the same as
legal immigrants, in the US, are legally<BR>> entitled to get education,
emergency medical services, welfare, low income<BR>> housing, and other tax
supported services intended to go to US citizens. She<BR>> knows courts have
ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal status.<BR>><BR>> So
you can see her statement<BR>><BR>> "The consulates do not exist to help
Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> taxpayer-supported social services to
which they are not, by reason of their<BR>> immigration status, legally
entitled.",<BR>><BR>> is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner
to make you swallow it<BR>> down that my statement was false, when she knows
it wasn't.<BR>><BR>> The main function of Mexican Consulates is to get
illegal aliens access to<BR>> US taxpayer supported services. I said nothing
about the illegality of the<BR>> entitlement.<BR>><BR>> Each day 1000
illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican Consulate to obtain<BR>> "ID cards"
which they force local government, through federal law, to except<BR>> in
place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which only illegal immigrants do<BR>>
not have. This allows the people here illegally from Mexico to access
state<BR>> and federal services.<BR>><BR>> Keely is aware of this fact.
She is also aware that Consulates provide legal<BR>> and financial assistance
to illegal aliens so they can remain in the US. It<BR>> is also known that
the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid<BR>> detection in the US
while here illegally and how to cross the boarder<BR>> illegally and not get
caught.<BR>><BR>> I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so
naive as to believe<BR>> that the reason consulates exist, and they get tens
or hundreds of thousands<BR>> of visitors by illegal aliens each years, is to
show support for diplomatic<BR>> and trade relations with the US and
Mexico.<BR>><BR>> Best Regards,<BR>><BR>>
Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> keely emerinemix <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kjajmix1@msn.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> As politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan
as someone who has spent<BR>> a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in
Seattle.<BR>><BR>> Bulls**t.<BR>><BR>> The consulates do not exist
to help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> taxpayer-supported social
services to which they are not, by reason of their<BR>> immigration status,
legally entitled. Suggesting that they do is<BR>> recklessly,
maliciously untrue. But it is entirely understandable coming<BR>> from
someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as Bill<BR>>
Sali.<BR>><BR>>
Keely<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27
-0700<BR>> From: </FONT><A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> To: </FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> CC:
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Joe,<BR>><BR>> Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been
anywhere outside the<BR>> protective bubble of a University, you must be
joking.<BR>><BR>> First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist
is to get illegal<BR>> aliens access to US government services, like welfare,
unemployment<BR>> benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low
income housing,<BR>> legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US
citizens.<BR>><BR>> Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take
farm work if the farm<BR>> work paid a livable wage. If you believe
that ANY workers should be allowed<BR>> to be paid a sub-livable wage, than
you sir, need to rethink your outlook on<BR>> the value of a
person.<BR>><BR>> Third, your statements reveal your racists and
stereotyped beliefs. Illegal<BR>> aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic
potato pickers making $4 an<BR>> hour. Most of them are bright, intelligent,
hard working inventive people,<BR>> certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of
US workers they are competing with<BR>> in the US job market. They work in
the hospitality, construction,<BR>> manufacturing, agriculture, automotive,
and almost every other category in<BR>> the below middle class job market.
Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in the<BR>> state willing and able to work
in the jobs lower class citizens can only do<BR>> hurts their wages. Why does
a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an hour<BR>> instead of $12? Because
he can hire 30 others willing to do the work for the<BR>> $10. Same goes for
meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and other<BR>> services and
industries.<BR>><BR>> Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't
forced to find a job<BR>> making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are
waiting with 20 others that<BR>> are willing to do the same job for $9 and
have 20 years experience, most of<BR>> them not here legally? How many times
have you had that happen to you, Joe?<BR>> I bet none. You live in the
fantasy world where illegals are bunch of dumb<BR>> educated idiots that can
only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They are<BR>> aren't carpenters,
drivers, maids, painters, lawn care providers,<BR>> manufacturers, and in
other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom 1/3<BR>> of the work US
workforce.<BR>> Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are
suffering as a result<BR>> of illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the
US for lower wages, and<BR>> sometimes illegal wages.<BR>><BR>> Oppose
Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages for<BR>> all
US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.<BR>><BR>> Best
Regards,<BR>><BR>>
Donovan<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Joe Campbell
<</FONT><A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>joekc@adelphia.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:<BR>>
Donovan,<BR>><BR>> How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal
activities and illegal<BR>> immigrants<BR>> out of the state"? For that
matter, what can the Mexican government do to<BR>> prove that they "won't aid
illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican consulate<BR>> here?<BR>><BR>> And
just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in Idaho<BR>>
and<BR>> Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick
fruit.<BR>> The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't
taking away<BR>> jobs that would otherwise go to American
citizens.<BR>><BR>> --<BR>> Joe Campbell<BR>><BR>> ---- Donovan
Arnold wrote:<BR>><BR>> =============<BR>> I am voting to reelect Bill
Sali precisely because he is attempting to keep<BR>> illegal activities and
illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has enough<BR>> problems getting
enough funding for its schools, and providing other social<BR>> and medical
services. Having to provide for thousands of others who are not<BR>> legal
residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of labor<BR>>
also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho.<BR>><BR>>
Best Regards,<BR>><BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>>
Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am
here<BR>> to tell you . . .<BR>><BR>> >From today's (May 1, 2008)
Spokesman Review -<BR>><BR>>
-----------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Sali seeks to
delay Mexican consulate<BR>> Todd Dvorak<BR>> Associated Press<BR>> May
1, 2008<BR>><BR>> BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of
State Condoleezza<BR>> Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho
until the government<BR>> can show the office won't aid illegal
aliens.<BR>><BR>> Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a
letter Wednesday<BR>> saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican
consular offices<BR>> will not help illegal aliens obtain identification
cards that can be used<BR>> to receive government services or other
benefits.<BR>><BR>> "Our government has the moral and constitutional duty
to take into<BR>> consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow
citizens here in<BR>> our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that
was made available<BR>> to news media.<BR>><BR>> "While I appreciate
the important role that the Mexican and other foreign<BR>> consulates play in
facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in<BR>> distress just as our
foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at stake<BR>> here," he
added.<BR>><BR>> Sali asserted that the State Department has done little
to assure<BR>> residents that a consular office would not be used to aid
illegal<BR>> immigration.<BR>><BR>> The State Department did not return
phone messages from the Associated<BR>> Press on Wednesday.<BR>><BR>>
In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an<BR>>
application for a consular office in Boise is pending.<BR>><BR>> Idaho is
one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a grass-<BR>> roots
effort to open one has been under way for several years. Supporters<BR>> say
they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting a<BR>>
Mexican consular presence in the state.<BR>><BR>>
-----------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> Seeya round
town, Moscow.<BR>><BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>>
"People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in
chat-<BR>> room forums are neither brave nor clever."<BR>><BR>> - Latah
County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,<BR>> 2007)<BR>><BR>>
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