<DIV>Hansen,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No pictures huh? Is that why you are asking us to read it for you?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Suggestion: Don't wait for the movie. Read the document!<BR><BR>The Immigration and Nationality Act<BR>http://tinyurl.com/2vo84l<BR><BR>No pictutes in this one, Arnie.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>> "P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American<BR>> citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the<BR>> Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day."<BR>> <BR>> Not in the Constitution, as such, but found in a misinterpretation of a<BR>> portion of the 14th amendment. At the time that this amendment was<BR>> ratified (1868) the U.S. had no
immigration policy. The clause Mr. Schou<BR>> refers to was intended to address the status of freed slaves and<BR>> overturn the Dred Scott decision. According to amendment Co-author Ohio<BR>> Senator Jacob Howard:<BR>> <BR>> "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject<BR>> to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a<BR>> citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons<BR>> born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the<BR>> families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the<BR>> Government of the United States, but will include every other class of<BR>> persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all<BR>> doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.<BR>> This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and<BR>> legislation of this country.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Clearly, this amendment was not intended to extend legal status to<BR>> children born in this country by legal aliens much less aliens who are<BR>> already breaking U.S. law by overstaying a visa or making a illegal<BR>> boarder crossing. This was confirmed by the supreme court in 1884. No<BR>> change to the Constitution would be required to end the practice of<BR>> extending citizenship to the offspring of aliens in this country<BR>> illegally.<BR>> <BR>> g<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Andreas Schou" <OPHITE@GMAIL.COM><BR>> To: "Donovan Arnold" <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM><BR>> Cc: <VISION2020@MOSCOW.COM><BR>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:38 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Donovan --<BR>> <BR>> You are misinformed.<BR>> <BR>> It's frequently, and correctly, been ruled that illegal immigrants<BR>> can't be
denied emergency health care, but the requirements to prove<BR>> citizenship for federally-funded services like Medicaid and TANF are<BR>> onerous at best*. In order to get either, you have to provide<BR>> documentation of both citizenship and identity: in other words, a<BR>> birth certificate and a driver's license.<BR>> <BR>> -- ACS<BR>> <BR>> P.S. Children of illegal immigrants born on American soil or American<BR>> citizens. If you disagree with that, go ahead and change the<BR>> Constitution -- it's in there, plain as day.<BR>> <BR>> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Donovan Arnold<BR>> <DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> > Rev. Keely is being dishonest with her statements and intentionally<BR>> > deceptive.<BR>> ><BR>> > Illegal aliens, the same as legal immigrants, in the US, are legally<BR>> > entitled to get education, emergency medical services, welfare, low<BR>> income<BR>> >
housing, and other tax supported services intended to go to US<BR>> citizens. She<BR>> > knows courts have ruled we cannot deny these services based on legal<BR>> status.<BR>> ><BR>> > So you can see her statement<BR>> ><BR>> > "The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> > taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of<BR>> their<BR>> > immigration status, legally entitled.",<BR>> ><BR>> > is a big meaningless pile of sh*t worded in a manner to make you<BR>> swallow it<BR>> > down that my statement was false, when she knows it wasn't.<BR>> ><BR>> > The main function of Mexican Consulates is to get illegal aliens<BR>> access to<BR>> > US taxpayer supported services. I said nothing about the illegality of<BR>> the<BR>> > entitlement.<BR>> ><BR>> > Each day 1000 illegal aliens alone visit the LA Mexican
Consulate to<BR>> obtain<BR>> > "ID cards" which they force local government, through federal law, to<BR>> except<BR>> > in place of US driver's licenses and Visa, which only illegal<BR>> immigrants do<BR>> > not have. This allows the people here illegally from Mexico to access<BR>> state<BR>> > and federal services.<BR>> ><BR>> > Keely is aware of this fact. She is also aware that Consulates provide<BR>> legal<BR>> > and financial assistance to illegal aliens so they can remain in the<BR>> US. It<BR>> > is also known that the consulates provide pamphlets on how to avoid<BR>> > detection in the US while here illegally and how to cross the boarder<BR>> > illegally and not get caught.<BR>> ><BR>> > I am guessing that MOST readers on the V, are not so naive as to<BR>> believe<BR>> > that the reason consulates exist, and they get tens or hundreds of<BR>> thousands<BR>> >
of visitors by illegal aliens each years, is to show support for<BR>> diplomatic<BR>> > and trade relations with the US and Mexico.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > As politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan as someone who has<BR>> spent<BR>> > a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.<BR>> ><BR>> > Bulls**t.<BR>> ><BR>> > The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to<BR>> > taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of<BR>> their<BR>> > immigration status, legally entitled. Suggesting that they do is<BR>> > recklessly, maliciously untrue. But it is entirely understandable<BR>> coming<BR>> > from someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as<BR>> Bill<BR>>
> Sali.<BR>> ><BR>> > Keely<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ________________________________<BR>> > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27 -0700<BR>> > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> > To: joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> > CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Joe,<BR>> ><BR>> > Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been anywhere outside<BR>> the<BR>> > protective bubble of a University, you must be joking.<BR>> ><BR>> > First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist is to get<BR>> illegal<BR>> > aliens access to US government services, like welfare, unemployment<BR>> > benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income<BR>> housing,<BR>> > legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US
citizens.<BR>> ><BR>> > Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the<BR>> farm<BR>> > work paid a livable wage. If you believe that ANY workers should be<BR>> allowed<BR>> > to be paid a sub-livable wage, than you sir, need to rethink your<BR>> outlook on<BR>> > the value of a person.<BR>> ><BR>> > Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped beliefs.<BR>> Illegal<BR>> > aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4<BR>> an<BR>> > hour. Most of them are bright, intelligent, hard working inventive<BR>> people,<BR>> > certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers they are competing<BR>> with<BR>> > in the US job market. They work in the hospitality, construction,<BR>> > manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and almost every other<BR>> category in<BR>> > the below middle class job market. Having 40,000
illegal immigrants in<BR>> the<BR>> > state willing and able to work in the jobs lower class citizens can<BR>> only do<BR>> > hurts their wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an<BR>> hour<BR>> > instead of $12? Because he can hire 30 others willing to do the work<BR>> for the<BR>> > $10. Same goes for meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and<BR>> other<BR>> > services and industries.<BR>> ><BR>> > Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job<BR>> > making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others<BR>> that<BR>> > are willing to do the same job for $9 and have 20 years experience,<BR>> most of<BR>> > them not here legally? How many times have you had that happen to you,<BR>> Joe?<BR>> > I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where illegals are bunch of<BR>> dumb<BR>> > educated idiots that can only pick
potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They<BR>> are<BR>> > aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn care providers,<BR>> > manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom<BR>> 1/3<BR>> > of the work US workforce.<BR>> > Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are suffering as a<BR>> result<BR>> > of illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages,<BR>> and<BR>> > sometimes illegal wages.<BR>> ><BR>> > Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages<BR>> for<BR>> > all US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Joe Campbell <JOEKC@ADELPHIA.NET>wrote:<BR>> > Donovan,<BR>> ><BR>> > How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal activities and
illegal<BR>> > immigrants<BR>> > out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do<BR>> to<BR>> > prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican<BR>> consulate<BR>> > here?<BR>> ><BR>> > And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in<BR>> Idaho<BR>> > and<BR>> > Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick<BR>> fruit.<BR>> > The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking<BR>> away<BR>> > jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.<BR>> ><BR>> > --<BR>> > Joe Campbell<BR>> ><BR>> > ---- Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > =============<BR>> > I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely because he is attempting to<BR>> keep<BR>> > illegal activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has<BR>> enough<BR>> > problems
getting enough funding for its schools, and providing other<BR>> social<BR>> > and medical services. Having to provide for thousands of others who<BR>> are not<BR>> > legal residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of<BR>> labor<BR>> > also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho.<BR>> ><BR>> > Best Regards,<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom Hansen wrote:<BR>> > Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am<BR>> here<BR>> > to tell you . . .<BR>> ><BR>> > >From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -<BR>> ><BR>> > -----------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate<BR>> > Todd Dvorak<BR>> > Associated Press<BR>> > May 1, 2008<BR>> ><BR>> > BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of State<BR>>
Condoleezza<BR>> > Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the<BR>> government<BR>> > can show the office won't aid illegal aliens.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a letter<BR>> Wednesday<BR>> > saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular<BR>> offices<BR>> > will not help illegal aliens obtain identification cards that can be<BR>> used<BR>> > to receive government services or other benefits.<BR>> ><BR>> > "Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into<BR>> > consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here<BR>> in<BR>> > our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that was made<BR>> available<BR>> > to news media.<BR>> ><BR>> > "While I appreciate the important role that the Mexican and other<BR>> foreign<BR>> > consulates play in
facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in<BR>> > distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at<BR>> stake<BR>> > here," he added.<BR>> ><BR>> > Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to assure<BR>> > residents that a consular office would not be used to aid illegal<BR>> > immigration.<BR>> ><BR>> > The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated<BR>> > Press on Wednesday.<BR>> ><BR>> > In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an<BR>> > application for a consular office in Boise is pending.<BR>> ><BR>> > Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a<BR>> grass-<BR>> > roots effort to open one has been under way for several years.<BR>> Supporters<BR>> > say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition<BR>> requesting a<BR>> > Mexican
consular presence in the state.<BR>> ><BR>> > -----------------------------------------------<BR>> ><BR>> > Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> > "People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in<BR>> chat-<BR>> > room forums are neither brave nor clever."<BR>> ><BR>> > - Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,<BR>> > 2007)<BR>> ><BR>> > ---------------------------------------------<BR>> > This message was sent by First Step Internet.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.com/<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =========================> =========================> =====<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> ><BR>>
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