<DIV>Andreas,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Illegal immigrants access food stamps because of their children and low income. They also tap out the system because they force US citizens out of their jobs that do qualify. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are, in fact, many illegal aliens driving around the US. They even have commercial driver's licenses hauling hazardous materials and don't read a lick of English. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Illegal immigrants cannot receive Medicaid, Medicare, or CHIP, unless<BR>the state has decided to offer those services out of their own tax"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Never said they did. But some government officials don't always follow the rules. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"The alternative being a perpetual generational underclass of itinerant<BR>farmworkers."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nope, the alternative is that Mexico pay for its own citizen's education. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"You mean Medicare and
Social Security? Illegal immigrants are required<BR>to pay taxes for both, but receive neither."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Those aren't entitlements. Not every US citizen is entitled to them. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Check your head if you if seriously think thousands of illegal immigrants visit a Mexican Consulate everyday to get an ID card that would be as worthless as you pretend it to be. Or if you don't think that people here illegally are not overrunning our tax supported social services and educational system. WAKE UP ANDREAS, take a trip to El Paso, LA, or Phoenix, or just a day trip to Nampa. Your view is only acceptable to those that have lived in a university classroom, cave, or a courtroom their whole life. Peek outside into the REAL world for once and see what's going on. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan <BR><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR><B><I>Andreas Schou <ophite@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Donovan Arnold<BR><DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>> Andreas,<BR>><BR>> Illegal Laborers can get emergency food stamps, and food stamps for their<BR>> children.<BR><BR>This is incorrect. Actually, even most legal immigrants don't qualify<BR>for food stamps. Only US citizens, asylees, people whose deportation<BR>has been indefinitely suspended (making them de facto American<BR>citizens), legal permanent residents who've worked for 10 years, LPR<BR>veterans, and children of LPRs under 18 qualify for food stamps.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers can get Driver's Licenses, yes in California, where most of<BR>> them live, then drive in Idaho legally.<BR><BR>This is nonsense. Most illegal immigrant laborers winter in south<BR>Texas and Arizona.
And, actually, I was wrong: the California law<BR>allowing illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses was repealed<BR>in 2004.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers can get Private Scholarships for Education<BR><BR>What private people do with their money is their own business. This is<BR>not a 'government benefit'.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers do get medical assistance and emergency services<BR><BR>Illegal immigrants cannot receive Medicaid, Medicare, or CHIP, unless<BR>the state has decided to offer those services out of their own tax<BR>rolls. To my knowledge, no state does so.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers do get free public education (The alternative being not no<BR>> education, but education in Mexico)<BR><BR>The alternative being a perpetual generational underclass of itinerant<BR>farmworkers.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers do get low income housing which is implemented through<BR>> local governments.<BR><BR>I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. But this is
basically<BR>nonsense, too. Federal housing grants are handed out to state housing<BR>agencies, which (usually, but not in Idaho) pass them to municipal<BR>housing authorities. The largest programs have citizenship<BR>restrictions; the grants that could potentially benefit illegal<BR>immigrants are those that subsidize private construction of affordable<BR>housing, rather than those that provide site- or voucher-based grants<BR>to private individuals.<BR><BR>A quick run-down of programs:<BR><BR>Illegal immigrants are ineligible for Section 8 benefits -- Section 8<BR>being the largest low-income housing program in the United States.<BR>They are likewise ineligible for HOPWA (Housing for People With AIDS)<BR>funds and SHP funds (transitional housing). They may receive ESG<BR>(emergency shelter grant) funds, but that's basically a homeless<BR>shelter. The only program that they can benefit from is AHP<BR>(Affordable Housing Program). But that's only because AHP
is<BR>administered by private landlord -- the government only checks in to<BR>see that the rent is within the federal guidelines.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers get most of their entitlements any US citizens gets.<BR><BR>You mean Medicare and Social Security? Illegal immigrants are required<BR>to pay taxes for both, but receive neither.<BR><BR>> Illegal Laborers do get bank accounts through private banks and credit<BR>> unions, who are protected by US taxpayers and insured by US taxpayers.<BR><BR>As can non-US citizens living anywhere in the world.<BR><BR>> All this made possible because of ID cards from Consulates. If they couldn't<BR>> get a job, cash a check, rent an apartment, drive, eat, get medical care,<BR>> they would not stay here. It is that simple.<BR><BR>Check your facts. Your entire post was utter bollocks.<BR><BR>-- ACS<BR><BR>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet,
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