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As politely as possible, let me respond to Donovan as someone who has spent a lot of time in the Mexican consulate in Seattle.<br><br>Bulls**t.<br><br>The consulates do not exist to help Mexican immigrants gain access to taxpayer-supported social services to which they are not, by reason of their immigration status, legally entitled. Suggesting that they do is recklessly, maliciously untrue. But it is entirely understandable coming from someone as misinformed on the issue as Donovan, and as dense as Bill Sali.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:01:27 -0700<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: joekc@adelphia.net<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Sali Seeks to Delay Mexican Consulate<br><br><div>Joe,</div> <div> </div> <div>Are you serious? Or are you joking? If you have been anywhere outside the protective bubble of a University, you must be joking. </div> <div> </div> <div>First off, the only reason that Mexican Consulates exist is to get illegal aliens access to US government services, like welfare, unemployment benefits, food stamps, diver's licenses, gas vouchers, low income housing, legal aid, and jobs, that would otherwise go to US citizens. </div> <div> </div> <div>Second, you are wrong that Americans would not take farm work if the farm work paid a livable wage. If you believe that ANY workers should be allowed to be paid a sub-livable wage, than you sir, need to rethink your outlook on the value of a person. </div> <div> </div> <div>Third, your statements reveal your racists and stereotyped beliefs. Illegal aliens are not all a bunch of dumb, idiotic potato pickers making $4 an hour. Most of
them are bright, intelligent, hard working inventive people, certainly more so than the bottom 1/3 of US workers they are competing with in the US job market. They work in the hospitality, construction, manufacturing, agriculture, automotive, and almost every other category in the below middle class job market. Having 40,000 illegal immigrants in the state willing and able to work in the jobs lower class citizens can only do hurts their wages. Why does a business only pay a house cleaner $10 an hour instead of $12? Because he can hire 30 others willing to do the work for the $10. Same goes for meat packers, lawn services, farm workers, and other services and industries. </div> <div> </div> <div>Joe, you don't live in the real world. You aren't forced to find a job making $10 an hour, and when you apply you are waiting with 20 others that are willing to do the same job for $9 and have 20 years experience, most of them not here legally? How many times have
you had that happen to you, Joe? I bet none. You live in the fantasy world where illegals are bunch of dumb educated idiots that can only pick potatoes and tomatoes for $4. They are aren't carpenters, drivers, maids, painters, lawn care providers, manufacturers, and in other jobs reducing livable wages for the bottom 1/3 of the work US workforce.</div> <div>Real wages are on a decline, and most US citizens are suffering as a result of illegal immigrants being allowed to work in the US for lower wages, and sometimes illegal wages. </div> <div> </div> <div>Oppose Slavery, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. Support livable wages for all US workers, Joe. Oppose illegal immigration. </div> <div> </div> <div>Best Regards,</div> <div> </div> <div>Donovan</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><br><br><b><i>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:</div> <blockquote class="EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Donovan,<br><br>How on earth will Sali's efforts "keep illegal activities and illegal immigrants <br>out of the state"? For that matter, what can the Mexican government do to <br>prove that they "won't aid illegal aliens" and earn a Mexican consulate here?<br><br>And just for the record, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks in Idaho and <br>Washington who would be willing to pay you sub-minimum wage to pick fruit.<br>The problem is not with the Mexican immigrants, and they aren't taking away <br>jobs that would otherwise go to American citizens.<br><br>--<br>Joe Campbell<br><br>---- Donovan Arnold wrote: <br><br>=============<br>I am voting to reelect Bill Sali precisely because he is attempting to keep illegal activities and illegal immigrants out of the state. Idaho has enough problems getting enough funding for its schools, and providing other social
and medical services. Having to provide for thousands of others who are not legal residents is to much of a burden for poor Idahoans. An influx of labor also reduces wages, something we also can ill afford in Idaho. <br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Donovan<br><br>Tom Hansen wrote:<br>Just when you thought that Bill Sali couldn't get more ignorant, I am here <br>to tell you . . .<br><br>>From today's (May 1, 2008) Spokesman Review -<br><br>-----------------------------------------------<br><br>Sali seeks to delay Mexican consulate <br>Todd Dvorak <br>Associated Press<br>May 1, 2008<br><br>BOISE – Rep. Bill Sali, R-Idaho, is urging Secretary of State Condoleezza <br>Rice to hold off opening a Mexican consulate in Idaho until the government <br>can show the office won't aid illegal aliens.<br><br>Sali, a conservative first-term congressman, sent Rice a letter Wednesday <br>saying Idaho residents deserve guarantees that Mexican consular offices <br>will not
help illegal aliens obtain identification cards that can be used <br>to receive government services or other benefits.<br><br>"Our government has the moral and constitutional duty to take into <br>consideration how foreign consulates affect our fellow citizens here in <br>our own country," Sali wrote in the letter to Rice that was made available <br>to news media.<br><br>"While I appreciate the important role that the Mexican and other foreign <br>consulates play in facilitating trade and assisting their citizens in <br>distress just as our foreign consulates do, that is not the issue at stake <br>here," he added.<br><br>Sali asserted that the State Department has done little to assure <br>residents that a consular office would not be used to aid illegal <br>immigration.<br><br>The State Department did not return phone messages from the Associated <br>Press on Wednesday.<br><br>In March, Sali received a letter from the State Department saying an <br>application for a
consular office in Boise is pending.<br><br>Idaho is one of several states without a Mexican consulate, but a grass-<br>roots effort to open one has been under way for several years. Supporters <br>say they have collected about 10,000 signatures on a petition requesting a <br>Mexican consular presence in the state.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------<br><br>Seeya round town, Moscow.<br><br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow, Idaho<br><br>"People who ridicule others while hiding behind anonymous monikers in chat-<br>room forums are neither brave nor clever." <br><br>- Latah County Sheriff Wayne Rausch (August 21,<br>2007)<br><br>---------------------------------------------<br>This message was sent by First Step Internet.<br>http://www.fsr.com/<br><br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>http://www.fsr.net
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