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<DIV><FONT size=2>Since I am not inclined to accept as fact your every assertion
and do not have access to shoe boxes full of everything CC, I will address your
post based strictly upon what is in it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You state as fact (without providing so much as a hint of real
evidence) that "a very successful gag order was issued by church hierarchy which
not a single member violated. Even though in the past you and others that
make up the me too chorus have delighted in passing on tidbits that you claimed
were provided to you by disaffected members of the CC congregation, on this one
occasion they were monolithic in their silence. How strange.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Stranger still is the notion that this gag order was
effectively impressed upon Wayne Rausch and the entirety of the Latah Co.
Sheriffs Dept.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Brian Dulin and the folks in the Latah Co. Youth Services
Dept.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Dan Weaver and every officer and employee of the Moscow Police
Dept.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Thompson and every member of the Latah Co. Prosecuting
attorneys office.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Nathan Alford and the staff of the Lewiston Morning Tribune
and the Moscow/Pullman Daily News.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bear & LuJane Nisse and Kai Eiselein at the Latah
Eagle.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Gary Cummings and the news depts. at KRPL, KZZL, KRAO, KMAX,
& KCLX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Evan Ellis at KQQQ.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>and every single other news gathering and disseminating
organization on the Palouse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And I'm the one who will make any argument no matter how
outlandish? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The fact of the matter is that according to all local law
enforcement and authorities responsible for matters such as these, the handling
of this case by CC and its elders was exemplary. I really wouldn't think
that any more need be said. And yet a plucky little band of stalwarts with a
long and ongoing history of antagonism for this particular group just
happens to be the sole possessors of the "truth" and anyone who might find
this ridiculous conspiracy theory hard to swallow is a "fool" and should be
subject to "shame." Strange, strange, strange.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>That's it, I've said my piece. Feel free to return to making
up libelous assertions and posting them as fact. I'm going to bail before the
discussion turns to the responsibility for the JFK assassination, UFO's,
and the mystery that is the obama campaign.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sslund_2007@verizon.net href="mailto:sslund_2007@verizon.net">Saundra
Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">'g. crabtree'</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">'keely emerinemix'</A> ;
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">'Sue Hovey'</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:00
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Dear Mr.
Crabtree,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">With respect to #4
below, have you lost your mind (no disrespect intended) or do you simply live
in a parallel universe where no one else who gives a rip about children would
care to live?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact:
without a doubt, Doug Wilson knew of Steven James Sitler’s heinous crimes on
3/10/2005. There has been speculation that Wilson orchestrated Sitler’s
flight from this community to avoid contact with local law enforcement, but
we’ll stick with facts here.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact: the
criminal complaint was filed 7/6/2005.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact:
depending on which Christ Church source you want to believe, church members
were extensively informed of Sitler’s predation in our community no later than
November (that’s from Wilson himself). Other Christ Church members claim
to have known beforehand, but I’m content enough to use Wilson’s dates in this
context.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact: a very
successful gag order was issued by Kirk hierarchy as evidenced by the fact
that while the Kirk congregation was made aware of Sitler’s predation in this
and other communities, <B><U>not</U> <U>a</U> <U>single</U></B></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d"> </SPAN><B><U><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">member</SPAN></U></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> cared enough
about <B>all</B> the children in this community – the children of their
neighbors – to warn those of us not privy to Kirk HOH meetings that a monster
had been free to prey on and molest our children for some 18 months.
This from people who had – and have continued to -- shrilly insisted that they
are good neighbors and members of the community. Needless to say, their
kowtowing to that gag order makes hollow their demands for recognition as good
neighbors.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact:
outside the Kirk and the judicial system (which also remained inexplicably
silent), no one in the community was informed for <B><U>eleven</U>
<U>months</U></B> following his adjudication that this monster, who came to
our community to attend NSA, had trolled for child victims in our
community. The first news article appeared in the Trib on 6/7/2006 with
the Snooze quickly following on the Trib’s coattails 6/8/2006. News
coverage only happened after the information was brought to light by
others.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Fact:
compare and contrast this with news coverage of other non-Kirk local sex
offenders before and since, and it doesn’t take a genius to realize that
Svengali Doug Wilson’s gag order was successful beyond his wildest
dream.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">We will be voting
on some key local offices later this year, and I for one won’t forget who
played roles in withholding this vital community safety information, nor will
I forget that our local newspapers (such as they are) have never quite been
able to rise to the challenge of providing truly important news in a timely
manner. But, I digress </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So, let’s get back
to this part of what you wrote to Keely:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">4. Again, the story
was indeed disseminated, just not in the manner that would have made you the
happiest. Are we noticing a trend here?”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">If you think the
dissemination factually outlined was adequate or appropriate, I would suggest
that you seek immediate medical attention to have your head put back on your
shoulders where it belongs rather than letting it remain where the sun doesn’t
shine. And, yes, we <B>are</B> noticing a trend here: for some
completely unfathomable reason, you will make any argument, no matter how
blatantly false or outlandish, to defend the Kirk while trying to make those
who speak truth objects of ridicule. Shame on you.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">So, have at it –
we all know you will – let ‘er rip, Mr. Crabtree.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">First, though, I
would remind you that you are a father with children you nurtured, love, care
about, and tried to protect while raising them, and you only make yourself
look the fool by continuing to defend the handling of the Steven James Sitler
horror.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">JMHO,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70
years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>g. crabtree<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:35
AM<BR><B>To:</B> keely emerinemix; Sue Hovey;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">1. No
change</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">2.It seems that
your personal standard IS the issue since you go out of your way to
enumerate it and then take every opportunity to point out instances where you
are outraged at its not having been met. Unquestionably "horror, outrage,
grief, and humility" were expressed during the course of this incident. Since
you didn't detect any sack cloth and ash, nor any self flagellation, it didn't
quite meet your personal standard. Not enough to satisfy Keely is not the same
as not at all.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The cartoon you
mention while perhaps being in questionable taste under the
circumstances hardly meets the qualification for
"scatological."</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">3.Why not go door
to door and notify every household in the greater Quad Cities area? The
churches mechanism for disseminating information is, apparently, head of
household meetings. Another case of just because it's not done your way
doesn't mean it wasn't done.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">4. Again, the story
was indeed disseminated, just not in the manner that would have made you the
happiest. Are we noticing a trend here?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">5. I suppose we
will have to agree to disagree here. Technically true is the same as
absolutely true. My memory is pretty good and I recall no moment during the
incident where it wasn't plain where the defendant went to church.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">6. " I believe
that....." Once again we're back to your personal opinion. As I said before,
good counsel can be had from a myriad of sources. A license and a PhD do not
give a person an exclusive franchise on good advise.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">7. I can't imagine
how questioning a blatantly false statement (Ms. Hovey's original foolish
remark) would give you the impression that "I don't like girls." As a male, I
am unqualified to comment on this topic? Perhaps you should check in with my
wife and two daughters</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">for the straight
skinny on how much I don't like them. I keep them safely locked up in a
pumpkin shell in my back yard. Watch out for the dog. (he's a
dude)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">And the extra
credit question's answer will have to be, for the most part, no. I see nothing
about this faith community that makes them any more or less "objectionable"
than any of the other congregations in our community that I have nothing but
respect for. Obviously, you can't say the same thing. Why is it that only this
group is singled out for your special brand of scrutiny? It would seem to me
that many denominations would fail to live up to the Keely Mix personal
standard.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> ; <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday, April
22, 2008 9:07 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: [Vision2020]
condemning rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Once again, by
the numbers, as you say:<BR><BR>1. Wilson called the cops -- on that,
we both agree.<BR><BR>2. My "personal standard" for pastoral behavior
during a rape scandal, while reasonable, isn't the issue. I'm thankful
that Wilson has an authority far, far above me who will judge his
attitude. As for specific examples of sarcastic humor during what
should have been a time of repentance and self-reflection, I gave you
one: the cute little cartoon about the young male "youth group leader"
ogling a young, curvaceous girl. I think I would, perhaps, have set
aside my love of snicker-snicker, sophomoric cartoon art about lusty male
ministers if I were a pastor whose congregation had been rocked by the rape
of toddlers by one of its male students at its classical Christian
college. <BR><BR>3. Why not tell the women directly?
<BR><BR>4. And why not tell the community? The media's
dissemination of the story was shoddy and tepid. The offender's home
church was open and immediate about printing his name and the nature of his
crimes once those committed in that community were revealed. Not a
word from the Kirk until the story broke on Vision, courtesy of an outraged
former congregant.<BR><BR>5. Your recollection fails you here.
Wilson insisted the man was not a member of the congregation.
Technically true, and yet patently false.<BR><BR>6. I believe that an
untrained minister who holds to the doctrines of sexuality, patriarchy,
submission and hierarchy that Wilson does should offer no more than prayer
and comfort, not counseling for sex offenses, and that only after he humbly
examines his own doctrinal foundations. The man had a licensed
therapist in Lewiston. That he had a minister here in Wilson is
undisputed; the perpetrator may call him "pastor," but I certainly wouldn't,
and don't.<BR><BR>7. "Girl-power Christianity"? Good
heavens. This is my religious faith, not a softball team.
Fortunately, though, my God loves girls who live in His power. It's
guys like you who don't like us, and yet somehow we go on.<BR><BR>And a
bonus question: Is there anything -- ANYTHING -- that you've seen from
Christ Church or its ministries or elders or pastor that you've found at all
objectionable . . . ever?
<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:
jampot@roadrunner.com<BR>To: kjajmix1@msn.com; suehovey@moscow.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] condemning rape<BR>Date:
Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:31:03 -0700<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ms. Mix, Thank
you for response and benevolent wishes for my days progress. While
your post in no way provides an answer to the manner whereby a group of
men tolerated and protected sexual predators, (No surprise there. They
didn't and you couldn't) it does raise a question or two not the least of
which would have to be by what authority do you feel competent to set a
minimum standard for a biblical response? That aside, It seems to me the
incident WAS dealt with inside your parameters. By the
numbers: </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">1. No possible
disagreement here.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">2. Here it seems
that it was your PERSONAL standard that was not met. To assert that
there was no expression of horror, grief, etc. is simply without merit. That
it didn't satisfy your standards is no surprise. In all likelyhood
nothing short of group immolation could have, I suspect. (I would ask
for a specific example of "scatological" sarcasm from B&M but I
imagine that it would arrive in a manner similar to Ms. Hovey's
response to my initial question, either not at all or far short of the
mark.)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">3. Do you
really imagine that when the husbands and fathers were informed that any of
them thought it too inconsequential to mention to their wives? Anything
interesting at the head of household meeting, dear? Gee whiz, honey there
was something I was going to tell you about but its slipped my mind. Oh
well, what's for supper? I very much doubt that any variation of that
conversation took place.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">4. It would
be most unseemly (to say nothing of potentially illegal prior to trial)
for a pastor to hold some sort of a press conference in a situation such as
this. The media disseminated the story as is their job. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">5. I can't really
speak to this issue since I have no first hand knowledge but, my impression
was that when asked it was made clear that the person in question was a
student at NSA and while not technically a member of the congregation was
most assuredly "one of theirs." Nothing unethical and no pretending that
there was no connection to the best of my recollection.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">6. Woefully,
breathtakingly, unqualified to offer council? Sage advise can come from
any number of sources. I very much doubt that his pastor offered up any that
was bad. Heck, even I could make a few suggestions that the miscreant
wouldn't go wrong by
following. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">7. And here we
come full circle. Why would anyone feel particularly obligated to heed your
"admonishment" with regard to this matter? Clearly you and your
particular version of girl power Christianity will never mesh with the Kirk.
Trying at every turn to tear it down utilizing innuendo, falsehoods, and
misrepresentations doesn't come across as particularly Christ like
either.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thank you for the
dialog and a pleasant afternoon to you,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
; <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday, April
22, 2008 8:54 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE:
[Vision2020] condemning rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Gary, you
believe Sue engaged in character assassination and bigotry by asserting
that Christ Church consists of a group of patriarchal men willing to
tolerate, even protect, males in their congregation who are sexual
predators. These are her words, not mine. I agree with her
general point, but I don't really know how they would tolerate, even
protect, another sexual predator. I only know how they acted when
one was revealed. And so I'll propose a minimum standard for
responsibly, Biblically, dealing with active sexual predators who rape
children in the congregation and perhaps elsewhere.<BR><BR>1. Tell
the police, which Wilson did. <BR>2. Express horror, outrage, grief,
and humility. The public face of Christ Church during this was
defensive and arrogant; privately, on his blog, Wilson continued the usual
scatological, snarky sarcasm that he trades in so richly. Remember
the "youth minister" cartoon? In context or out, a real
knee-slapper, that.<BR>3. Then tell the mothers, who are usually the
ones who would notice trauma-driven behaviors or odd physical changes in
their children, and tell the fathers. Wilson didn't. The male
heads of households were told; it was up to them whether or not to bring
the information home to their subordinate wives.<BR>4. Tell the
community. Wilson didn't, even though the perp lived in Moscow
and presumably emerged at some point from the Kirk social
network.<BR>5. Don't deny that he's "one of yours." Be honest
here -- Wilson took pains to point out that the man was not an official
member of Christ Church or Trinity Reformed. The man studied in the
Kirk's New St. Andrews, attended weekly service at CC, lived in a Kirk
family's home as a boarder in a program overseen by Kirk elders, came to
Moscow to be part of Christ Church, and would have, prior to the crimes,
been identified as a Christ Church kind of guy. I think that's what
people mean and not the absence of official enrollment when they say he
was "from Christ Church." I think that honesty about the man's
connection to your church fellowship is what people mean by "ethical" and
"straightforward."<BR>6. As the justice system adjudicates the case, which
it did here with surprising results, be available to comfort the families
and minister grace to the offender. Wilson believes he did
that. He also counseled the predator, something he is woefully,
breathtakingly, unqualified to do.<BR>7. Examine if there's anything
in the pastor's teachings or beliefs that might encourage bad behavior or
misapprehends the Scriptures and doctrines of the Church. In
response to my admonishment that the Kirk elders do so, one of them, our
pal Dale, simply responds by making fun of Tom Hansen. I think that
wasn't quite what I meant by "sober reflection," and I'm pretty sure
Christ didn't.<BR><BR>OK, gc . . . have at it, and have a lovely
day.<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:
suehovey@moscow.com<BR>To: jampot@roadrunner.com; kjajmix1@msn.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape<BR>Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:26:16 -0700<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">A wildly
reckless assertion!!! Character assassination and
bigotry? Coming from you, Gary, I would call it
displacement. </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sue H.
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Monday,
April 21, 2008 3:13 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Vision2020] condemning rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I defy you to
provide even a shred of documentation for the wildly reckless assertion
made in the final sentence of your post. It is my understanding that
when evidence of misconduct became known within the "congregation" in
question it was dealt with promptly and in an absolutely correct manner.
To claim anything else is unsupportable character assassination and
bigotry. It is also, unfortunately, par for the course with a certain
group which prides itself on its unfailing tolerance.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">g</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Monday,
April 21, 2008 12:14 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[Vision2020] condemning rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Keely,
I appreciate that you read Dale's blog and keep us in the
loop. It's important we are called upon to remember a
significant number of people in this community are willing
to twist a tragic issue and use it as a bludgeon to
attack those of us who define ourselves as liberal. I think
we shouldn't be surprised this would be his issue now.
He's representative of a group of patriarchial men, willing
to tolerate, even protect, males in their congregation who
are sexual predators. </SPAN><SPAN
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[Vision2020] condemning rape<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Visionaires,<BR><BR>The
Everlasting Blogstalker, Dale Courtney, laments today on his
Right-Mind blog that Moscow's liberals are quick to jump on the
bandwagon of disapproval of the recent revelations that young girls
in the FLDS polygamist cult in West Texas are routinely forced into
sexual relationships with older men who believe that these
polygamous "celestial marriages" are essential to the practice of
their faith, while remaining silent about things like young girls
being forced to "marry" older men in some Muslim cultures.
Dale believes that the shameful tolerance his liberal foes exhibit
toward the behavior of some Muslims is hypocritical in light of
their disgust over offshoot-Mormon group practices, and he, like a
good "Christian" libertarian man of chest, must make note of
it. It seems that we liberals just can't muster any
disapproval of Islam, so busy are we, I suppose, hating groups that
call themselves Christian. <BR><BR>Certainly Dale's worldview
is energized by the thought that he and his pals are witnesses to
the persecution of the Church from their vantage point of those
suffering under it. It's a silly assertion, of course, as is
his smug denouncement of feminized, morally bankrupt liberals who
pick and choose their objects of outrage from a tortured position of
ethical spinelessness. I am a liberal; I know of no one,
liberal or conservative, who isn't disgusted by the reality of adult
men who engage in sex with children. I'm not aware of anyone
who thinks that religion excuses the horrors that men visit upon
their victims, whether that religion is a perversion of Christianity
or a perversion of Islam. Because most of the people I know
are rational, decent people, they are angered by child rape and
outraged that it can be, and is, committed as a sort of religious
expression. Atheists and the religious are united in believing
that no God would be honored by inflicting horror on the little ones
he created.<BR><BR>I don't know if Muhammed had a sexual
relationship with a nine-year-old girl, as Dale asserts, just as I
don't know if Joseph Smith slept with underage girls. My not
being Muslim or Mormon, or part of any group that claims to be the
"true expression" of either, has nothing to do with the sexual sin
of the men each faith reveres as prophets. I am much more
concerned about my own faith and the men who claim it, and who, as
Christians, perpetuate patriarchy, hierarchy, power, manipulation
and sexism in their homes, churches, and relationships.
If, for example, there were a Christian church in town that had
witnessed one or two specific instances of their men preying on
young children or teenage girls, I would expect that that church
would reflect on any connection between the rape committed by their
young students of patriarchy and power, sexism and sexuality, and
the practices and teaching that the predators received from their
teachers. I would expect that that church would publicly
repent of any gender-based arrogance, hierarchy, or wielding of
power it had exhibited. I would hope that its leaders would
examine a theology that has as its origin the reality of a post-Fall
seizing of ungodly power and descent into violence, rather than the
redemptive, radical justice and equality ushered in by the Savior
they claim to worship. I would pray that such a church would
see that its elevation of male power and privilege, its defense of
patriarchy, its practice of gender hierarchy and unilateral
submission, and its defensive clinging to the ways of the world and
not the fruit of the Spirit are sinful, reflecting the depotism of
evil and not the gentleness of Christlike love. I would expect
that. <BR><BR>I would be disappointed.<BR><BR>And so I will
lead the charge, if that is indeed what Dale's asking for, by
announcing that this middle-aged, progressive, evangelical
homemaker, and everyone she knows, thinks men who sleep with girls
are evil. There. Now that the totality of liberal
condemnation of rape and pedophilia has been thusly offered to this
erstwhile elder, let's see if he and his other patriarchal heads of
household pause and examine if the perpetuation of sexual violence
on the weak in the name of religion has more to do with bad
theology, teaching, and practice than with the perceived
indifference of Moscow's liberals. It could be the start of an
incredible spiritual renewal, revolutionary in scope and profound in
effect. Or, Dale could just write this off as the emotional
blather of someone who just doesn't know her place, a position that
is probably a lot easier to undertake while enjoying the Sabbath
with other puny patriarchs. <BR><BR>I guess we'll see . . .
<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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