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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Now that you've gotten that nasty little spasm of "am
not-you are" out of the way I hope you feel better. Now how about you actually
back up your imaginary claim? Please provide the slimmest shred of evidence
of "a group of patriarchal men, willing to tolerate, even
protect, males in their congregation who are sexual predators." I have
a mighty strong hunch that it will be an inordinately long time
coming and in the unlikely event it ever should, won't come close to supporting
your reckless rhetoric.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A wildly reckless assertion!!! Character
assassination and bigotry? Coming from you, Gary, I would call
it displacement. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 21, 2008 3:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I defy you to provide even a shred of documentation
for the wildly reckless assertion made in the final sentence of your post.
It is my understanding that when evidence of misconduct became known within
the "congregation" in question it was dealt with promptly and in an
absolutely correct manner. To claim anything else is unsupportable character
assassination and bigotry. It is also, unfortunately, par for the course
with a certain group which prides itself on its unfailing
tolerance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 21, 2008 12:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keely, I appreciate that you read Dale's blog
and keep us in the loop. It's important we are called upon
to remember a significant number of people in this community are willing
to twist a tragic issue and use it as a bludgeon to attack
those of us who define ourselves as liberal. I think we
shouldn't be surprised this would be his issue now. He's
representative of a group of patriarchial men, willing to tolerate,
even protect, males in their congregation who are sexual
predators. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue H.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Visionaires,<BR><BR>The Everlasting Blogstalker, Dale
Courtney, laments today on his Right-Mind blog that Moscow's liberals
are quick to jump on the bandwagon of disapproval of the recent
revelations that young girls in the FLDS polygamist cult in West Texas
are routinely forced into sexual relationships with older men who
believe that these polygamous "celestial marriages" are essential to the
practice of their faith, while remaining silent about things like young
girls being forced to "marry" older men in some Muslim cultures.
Dale believes that the shameful tolerance his liberal foes exhibit
toward the behavior of some Muslims is hypocritical in light of their
disgust over offshoot-Mormon group practices, and he, like a good
"Christian" libertarian man of chest, must make note of it. It
seems that we liberals just can't muster any disapproval of Islam, so
busy are we, I suppose, hating groups that call themselves
Christian. <BR><BR>Certainly Dale's worldview is energized by the
thought that he and his pals are witnesses to the persecution of the
Church from their vantage point of those suffering under it. It's
a silly assertion, of course, as is his smug denouncement of feminized,
morally bankrupt liberals who pick and choose their objects of outrage
from a tortured position of ethical spinelessness. I am a liberal;
I know of no one, liberal or conservative, who isn't disgusted by the
reality of adult men who engage in sex with children. I'm not
aware of anyone who thinks that religion excuses the horrors that men
visit upon their victims, whether that religion is a perversion of
Christianity or a perversion of Islam. Because most of the people
I know are rational, decent people, they are angered by child rape and
outraged that it can be, and is, committed as a sort of religious
expression. Atheists and the religious are united in believing
that no God would be honored by inflicting horror on the little ones he
created.<BR><BR>I don't know if Muhammed had a sexual relationship with
a nine-year-old girl, as Dale asserts, just as I don't know if Joseph
Smith slept with underage girls. My not being Muslim or Mormon, or
part of any group that claims to be the "true expression" of either, has
nothing to do with the sexual sin of the men each faith reveres as
prophets. I am much more concerned about my own faith and the men
who claim it, and who, as Christians, perpetuate patriarchy, hierarchy,
power, manipulation and sexism in their homes, churches, and
relationships. If, for example, there were a Christian
church in town that had witnessed one or two specific instances of their
men preying on young children or teenage girls, I would expect that that
church would reflect on any connection between the rape committed by
their young students of patriarchy and power, sexism and sexuality, and
the practices and teaching that the predators received from their
teachers. I would expect that that church would publicly repent of
any gender-based arrogance, hierarchy, or wielding of power it had
exhibited. I would hope that its leaders would examine a theology
that has as its origin the reality of a post-Fall seizing of ungodly
power and descent into violence, rather than the redemptive, radical
justice and equality ushered in by the Savior they claim to
worship. I would pray that such a church would see that its
elevation of male power and privilege, its defense of patriarchy, its
practice of gender hierarchy and unilateral submission, and its
defensive clinging to the ways of the world and not the fruit of the
Spirit are sinful, reflecting the depotism of evil and not the
gentleness of Christlike love. I would expect that.
<BR><BR>I would be disappointed.<BR><BR>And so I will lead the charge,
if that is indeed what Dale's asking for, by announcing that this
middle-aged, progressive, evangelical homemaker, and everyone she knows,
thinks men who sleep with girls are evil. There. Now that
the totality of liberal condemnation of rape and pedophilia has been
thusly offered to this erstwhile elder, let's see if he and his other
patriarchal heads of household pause and examine if the perpetuation of
sexual violence on the weak in the name of religion has more to do with
bad theology, teaching, and practice than with the perceived
indifference of Moscow's liberals. It could be the start of an
incredible spiritual renewal, revolutionary in scope and profound in
effect. Or, Dale could just write this off as the emotional
blather of someone who just doesn't know her place, a position that is
probably a lot easier to undertake while enjoying the Sabbath with other
puny patriarchs. <BR><BR>I guess we'll see . . .
<BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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