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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A wildly reckless assertion!!! Character
assassination and bigotry? Coming from you, Gary, I would call
it displacement. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@roadrunner.com href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 21, 2008 3:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I defy you to provide even a shred of documentation for
the wildly reckless assertion made in the final sentence of your post. It is
my understanding that when evidence of misconduct became known within the
"congregation" in question it was dealt with promptly and in an absolutely
correct manner. To claim anything else is unsupportable character
assassination and bigotry. It is also, unfortunately, par for the course with
a certain group which prides itself on its unfailing tolerance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 21, 2008 12:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keely, I appreciate that you read Dale's blog
and keep us in the loop. It's important we are called upon
to remember a significant number of people in this community are willing
to twist a tragic issue and use it as a bludgeon to attack
those of us who define ourselves as liberal. I think we shouldn't
be surprised this would be his issue now. He's representative of
a group of patriarchial men, willing to tolerate, even
protect, males in their congregation who are sexual
predators. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue H.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] condemning
rape</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Visionaires,<BR><BR>The Everlasting Blogstalker, Dale
Courtney, laments today on his Right-Mind blog that Moscow's liberals are
quick to jump on the bandwagon of disapproval of the recent revelations
that young girls in the FLDS polygamist cult in West Texas are routinely
forced into sexual relationships with older men who believe that these
polygamous "celestial marriages" are essential to the practice of their
faith, while remaining silent about things like young girls being forced
to "marry" older men in some Muslim cultures. Dale believes that the
shameful tolerance his liberal foes exhibit toward the behavior of some
Muslims is hypocritical in light of their disgust over offshoot-Mormon
group practices, and he, like a good "Christian" libertarian man of chest,
must make note of it. It seems that we liberals just can't muster
any disapproval of Islam, so busy are we, I suppose, hating groups that
call themselves Christian. <BR><BR>Certainly Dale's worldview is
energized by the thought that he and his pals are witnesses to the
persecution of the Church from their vantage point of those suffering
under it. It's a silly assertion, of course, as is his smug
denouncement of feminized, morally bankrupt liberals who pick and choose
their objects of outrage from a tortured position of ethical
spinelessness. I am a liberal; I know of no one, liberal or
conservative, who isn't disgusted by the reality of adult men who engage
in sex with children. I'm not aware of anyone who thinks that
religion excuses the horrors that men visit upon their victims, whether
that religion is a perversion of Christianity or a perversion of
Islam. Because most of the people I know are rational, decent
people, they are angered by child rape and outraged that it can be, and
is, committed as a sort of religious expression. Atheists and the
religious are united in believing that no God would be honored by
inflicting horror on the little ones he created.<BR><BR>I don't know if
Muhammed had a sexual relationship with a nine-year-old girl, as Dale
asserts, just as I don't know if Joseph Smith slept with underage
girls. My not being Muslim or Mormon, or part of any group that
claims to be the "true expression" of either, has nothing to do with the
sexual sin of the men each faith reveres as prophets. I am much more
concerned about my own faith and the men who claim it, and who, as
Christians, perpetuate patriarchy, hierarchy, power, manipulation and
sexism in their homes, churches, and relationships. If, for
example, there were a Christian church in town that had witnessed one or
two specific instances of their men preying on young children or teenage
girls, I would expect that that church would reflect on any connection
between the rape committed by their young students of patriarchy and
power, sexism and sexuality, and the practices and teaching that the
predators received from their teachers. I would expect that that
church would publicly repent of any gender-based arrogance, hierarchy, or
wielding of power it had exhibited. I would hope that its leaders
would examine a theology that has as its origin the reality of a post-Fall
seizing of ungodly power and descent into violence, rather than the
redemptive, radical justice and equality ushered in by the Savior they
claim to worship. I would pray that such a church would see that its
elevation of male power and privilege, its defense of patriarchy, its
practice of gender hierarchy and unilateral submission, and its defensive
clinging to the ways of the world and not the fruit of the Spirit are
sinful, reflecting the depotism of evil and not the gentleness of
Christlike love. I would expect that. <BR><BR>I would be
disappointed.<BR><BR>And so I will lead the charge, if that is
indeed what Dale's asking for, by announcing that this middle-aged,
progressive, evangelical homemaker, and everyone she knows, thinks men who
sleep with girls are evil. There. Now that the totality of
liberal condemnation of rape and pedophilia has been thusly offered to
this erstwhile elder, let's see if he and his other patriarchal heads of
household pause and examine if the perpetuation of sexual violence on the
weak in the name of religion has more to do with bad theology, teaching,
and practice than with the perceived indifference of Moscow's
liberals. It could be the start of an incredible spiritual renewal,
revolutionary in scope and profound in effect. Or, Dale could just
write this off as the emotional blather of someone who just doesn't know
her place, a position that is probably a lot easier to undertake while
enjoying the Sabbath with other puny patriarchs. <BR><BR>I guess
we'll see . . . <BR><BR>Keely<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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