<DIV>Saundra,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well, I am not shocked that you are that mean spirited and judgmental to believe my comments meant we should not provide care as opposed to controlling the costs so she can afford to live on $400,000. If she cannot make it on $800,000, obviously the rest of us don't have a chance when we get to that point in our life, because I as sure hell don't have that kind of cash laying around and I bet most other don't either. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why does it cost $5,000 a month for Skilled Nursing Care? Why does it cost $800,000 to get basic care? That is the question. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why doesn't this outrage you as much as your cruel slanted misinterpretation of what I was trying to say? You really think I don't think this woman doesn't deserve care, when obviously I care enough to work for nursing homes caring for people? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It shouldn't cost $3000-$5000 a month. It is time to
stop paying these ridiculous costs, to weed out the insurance companies, CEOs, Lawyer, over charging medical companies, and ever doctors that charge exorbitant amounts. It is time to deregulate so that caregivers can give care at costs the average person can afford.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>90% of the work done for a person in a nursing home is done by CNAs and Caregivers, and make only about $6-$15 an hour. So obviously, we know somebody else is getting rich. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So let us turn our attention to this fact, not to twisting what somebody means or justifying why it is OK to charge $5000 a month for an elderly person to live in a 15 x 15 room. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Saundra Lund <sslund_2007@verizon.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META
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care.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Nursing home care is expensive, as Donovan should well know given his comments about LHS.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Using Donovan’s own figure of $5000/month *<B>just</B>* for skilled nursing care, anyone can do the math to see why $400,000 isn’t nearly enough to provide for this woman’s care.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY:
'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ellen
Roskovich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Clueless<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Donovan sez: </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><BR><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">"Of course the big question for me here is, why isn't $400,000 enough to care for this woman?</SPAN></B><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Why does she need $800,000? That is a lot of money, more than most people will make in their lifetime. "<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">I'm not even going to suggest that maybe you're a callous s.o.b. I'm going to let it go and just chalk it up to your youth and inexperience in the world. Life has a way of catching up with you and kicking you in the butt when you least expect it. So instead of berating you, I'll just say this to you: May you never find out the cost of a double bypass. The cost of the surgeon, anesthesiologist, CCU, lab tests, medication, cardiac rehab, multiple stent implants and for good measure we'll throw in 6 years of fighting a losing battle to lung cancer.
Because if you ever had to deal with this, you'd know that $400,000 to $800,000 can be a drop in the bucket for on-going medical expenses. And I extend this wish to everyone. . . may you never have to find out just how inadequate your health care insurance truely is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Ellen A. Roskovich<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> </SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>=======================================================<BR>List services made available by First Step Internet, <BR>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <BR>http://www.fsr.net <BR>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>=======================================================</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p> 
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