<DIV>Tom,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First, it is disgusting that any Hospital would charge $45,000 for something. Obviously, nobody can afford that, and no Doctor is worth that for a procedure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Second, many places turn down Tri-Care. And it doesn't cover everything. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Third, I have tried to get commissioned, I did not qualify because I do not have previously enlistment. I missed it by about 3 months. The extension in age is only for officers that have previous service. I had a long conversation about this with Sgt. Oswalt who the recruiting expert for Idaho. He is stationed in Boise, If you doubt me, look him up. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Finally, the recruiting station is not in the Mall anymore, they were kicked out by the PEM management.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But, if you can get me in Hansen, I would join. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">The best health care program that I am aware of is the one to which I am a <BR>part of . . . Tri-Care.<BR><BR>I pay no premiums. Yet, I have been a member since July of 1989. The <BR>most I have ever paid for a medical prescription is $9.00 (and that was <BR>only once).<BR><BR>In June of 2006, my spouse was hospitalzed at Gritman (10 days in ICU and <BR>14 days in CCU). The total bill came to over $45,000 of which I paid <BR>$1,200 out of pocket.<BR><BR>A couple years before that I was hospitalized with a double hernia. The <BR>total bill on that came to approximately $12,000 of which I paid $600 out <BR>of pocket.<BR><BR>Not only that, but after my spouse was discharged from Gritman, TriCare <BR>informed me that we had satisfied the "deductible" portion of our annual <BR>health care
cycle. As such, subsequent prescriptions (through the <BR>remainder of the fiscal year) were FREE.<BR><BR>"Where can I sign up for such a great health care program?" you ask.<BR><BR>Quite simple, Arnold. It is a simple two-step process.<BR><BR>1) Enlist into military service.<BR><BR>2) Retire from military service.<BR><BR>"Oh, no, Tom. I am too old to enlist," you say.<BR><BR>No, you're not, Donnie-boy.<BR><BR>Thanks to the Department of Defense lowering the standards for entry into <BR>military service, coupled with an extended 20-year retirement age (from 55 <BR>to 62), you can sign up Monday.<BR><BR>I'll be going over to the mall later today, Donnie-boy. Should I stop by <BR>the recruiter's office and have them pencil yo uin for 9:00 Monday?<BR><BR>Tom-Tom Handson<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR><BR><BR>> Keely,<BR>> <BR>> I don't need to see the impacts of not having insurance, I experience <BR>it. I don't need a<BR>government study to tell me that not having medical
care causes poor <BR>health. That is a no<BR>brainer.<BR>> <BR>> What we need are either no government subsidies for doctors and <BR>hospitals that charge<BR>$300 an hour, or we need tighter regulation of how much a doctor can <BR>charge when he/she is<BR>working in a tax supported building who got their degree on a tax <BR>supported education. <BR>> <BR>> No reasonable person honestly thinks he or she is worth $300 an hour. <BR>That is<BR>ridiculous. Nobody can afford that unless you are rich.<BR>> <BR>> Health insurance companies discriminate extensively, limit coverage <BR>more extensively,<BR>and charge far more than the below average income person can afford. <BR>> <BR>> The other problem with health insurance companies is that they charge <BR>monthly, and poor<BR>people cannot always afford to pay each month. <BR>> <BR>> But I say, what is the point of getting insurance, it doesn't cover <BR>anything most people<BR>need. I just cannot
get health insurance for anything I really need. <BR>> <BR>> We would be better off banning health insurance for everyone, then <BR>trying to get<BR>everyone to have it. Then Doctors and Hospitals would be forced to charge <BR>reasonable rates<BR>that an open and free market could afford, or have zero clients trying to <BR>charge $6000 a<BR>visit. It is only because the government has legalized exploitation of the <BR>people that<BR>Hospitals and Doctors can exploit people that are sick, injured, or in <BR>need or care. And I<BR>won't even get into the Health Insurance Companies, or the pharmaceutical <BR>companies that<BR>seem to invent illnesses to sell their legalized drug pushing. <BR>> <BR>> Now what they do is charge is $4000 an hour and come down on the price <BR>for those that<BR>have health insurance, even less is they have medicaid or medicare.<BR>> <BR>> Hospitals destroy poor people everyday financially because those <BR>without
health<BR>insurance cannot afford the higher rates that Hospitals and Doctors charge <BR>people that<BR>cannot afford health coverage. I think it highly immoral to charge the <BR>poor that cannot<BR>afford health insurance a higher rate than then wealthier people that can <BR>afford health<BR>insurance for the EXACT same service. And I cannot see why Liberals in <BR>Moscow support that<BR>policy, that even Gritman holds.<BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> keely emerinemix <KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote:<BR>> .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { <BR>FONT-SIZE: 10pt; <BR>FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Goodness, "Donovan," you sound more and more like <BR>a Courtney-ite<BR>Libertarian every day. <BR>> <BR>> I'm sorry that you fail to see that while all of us die, the poor among <BR>us die earlier of<BR>things that generally don't kill the rich among us. I don't know what's <BR>more pitiful --<BR>that you
can't see that, or that you don't give a damn.<BR>> <BR>> Keely<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:05:07 -0700<BR>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>> To: nickgier@adelphia.net; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Uninsured adults 25 percent more likely to die<BR>> <BR>> Interesting study because I always thought we all had an equal chance <BR>of dying, 100%.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>> <BR>> nickgier@adelphia.net wrote:<BR>> Families USA Study Shows How Many Die Because They Lack Health <BR>Insurance - 03/26/08,<BR>Workers Independent News<BR>> <BR>> A first-ever report breaks down the death rate of the uninsured state-by-<BR>state, and finds<BR>that the uninsured are more likely to die sooner than the insured. Jesse <BR>Russell reports:<BR>> <BR>> Families USA has finished the
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