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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would seem to me that if your subsidy argument
is to hold water you would have to admit to the fact that your own life is
subsidized in nearly every possible way.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's cheaper and more convenient for you to go to
Wal-Mart and buy your clothes then it is to grow cotton and raise wool and sew
your own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's cheaper and more convenient to buy your
gasoline from a local retailer then to drill and refine your own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's cheaper and more convenient to purchase food
from the local grocer then it is for you to raise your own.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you build your own house? Grow the trees? Mill
the lumber? I guess you have been subsidized by Logging company's and
carpenters.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you generate your own electricity or does Avista
subsidize your power and heat?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just because it's less expensive in the short term
for Hawkins to purchase water and sewer services from Moscow doesn't mean
that they are being subsidized by Idaho taxpayers. Infrastructure and future
upgrades are paid for through the fees that are paid by the users not taxes.
Consequently, Hawkins WILL be paying its share. No giveaway anywhere along the
line that I can detect unless it's the daily bus ride you talk about. Now there
is a true subsidy. Strangely, you seem to be cool with that particular handout.
What's up with that?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Garrett Clevenger" <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "vision 2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:16 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: [Vision2020] Smart Growth/ was Recall the
city council</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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size=2>>g writes:<BR>> <BR>> "I know the tactic is to repeat the lie so
often it<BR>> becomes accepted fact but, Moscow is, in fact,<BR>>
subsidizing nothing."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I would say g is perpetuating a
lie, or at least<BR>> misinformation as I think in order to lie you have
to<BR>> be aware you are wrong, because, in fact, Moscow is<BR>>
subsidizing something. <BR>> <BR>> By providing water and sewer
services, Moscow is<BR>> saving Hawkins $4 million in development costs
that<BR>> would be needed to build infrastructure to receive<BR>> water
and dispose of sewer. Whitman County agreed to<BR>> fund a $10 million
dollar bond to build that<BR>> infrastructure and more. Now Whitman
County will save<BR>> $4 million by not having to pay to build the water
and<BR>> sewer infrastructure. I would say Moscow is<BR>>
subsidizing Whitman County's growth, if not<BR>> necessarily Hawkins itself,
because our<BR>> infrastructure, something paid for by Moscow tax and<BR>>
rate payers, will now be stretched further, and<BR>> perhaps need upgrades
sooner, if Hawkins uses Moscow's<BR>> water and sewer services.
<BR>> <BR>> Whitman County, as far as I can tell, is not agreeing<BR>>
to give Moscow anything. Usually subsidies expect<BR>> something in
return, so perhaps this isn't a strict<BR>> subsidy, but a give away.<BR>>
<BR>> Am I wrong in thinking the new city council could have<BR>> rezoned
an area in Moscow for Hawkins, or a Super<BR>> Walmart? Not that I'd
want them to do it, but in<BR>> their negotiation with Hawkins, could that
not have<BR>> been part of the negotiation, offering instead of<BR>>
selling water and sewer, the ability to build in<BR>> Moscow? If the
new council really had Moscow's future<BR>> at heart, instead of merely
development for<BR>> development's sake, regardless if that
development<BR>> will directly compete with Moscow, it seems the<BR>>
council had another alternative: rezone somewhere in<BR>> Moscow to suit what
seems to be a need for more<BR>> shopping areas.<BR>> <BR>> Keep in
mind, though, that considering Walmart is the<BR>> kind of store that will
close a smaller, older one to<BR>> build a Super Center, their intent is to
garner more<BR>> market share. They don't necessarily have the<BR>>
community's interest at heart. I think many owners of<BR>> these types
of developments who live in another<BR>> community really are mostly
interested in their bottom<BR>> line, not building community.<BR>>
<BR>> Case in point: the owner of the Palouse Empire Mall,<BR>> who does
not live in Moscow, kicked Wheatland Express,<BR>> the bus from Pullman to
Moscow, out of the mall. They<BR>> no longer wanted the bus to stop at
the mall because<BR>> they thought too many people were parking at the
mall<BR>> to catch the bus there, regardless that their huge<BR>> parking
lot is very rarely full. I take the bus daily<BR>> and saw many people
get off the bus at the mall, and<BR>> come back with full bags of groceries
from Winco, and<BR>> other items. I'm sure the owners of stores at
the<BR>> mall are losing thousands of dollars of business a<BR>> year
since the bus no longer stops there. I'd say the<BR>> owner of mall
isn't really concerned about building<BR>> community, on top of not caring if
his tenants are<BR>> losing business.<BR>> <BR>> Now the bus stops at
Walmart, and most of those people<BR>> who get off there are shopping at
Walmart. If that<BR>> Walmart closes, I wonder if the bus will change
its<BR>> stop to Hawkins, denying Moscow the business of<BR>> hundreds of
people who come from Pullman. I doubt the<BR>> bus would stop at both
Hawkins and the PEM or another<BR>> store near there.<BR>> <BR>> My
point is, instead of subsidizing Whitman County's<BR>> growth by allowing
another state to use our<BR>> infrastructure, the council should have had the
smarts<BR>> to take public input on such a crucial issue to insure<BR>>
that our resources are being put towards those who<BR>> really care about
Moscow's future, rather than just<BR>> making a buck.<BR>> <BR>>
gclev<BR>> <BR>>
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