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No, Betsy -- thank you for the grim reminder. Loyalty oaths and rote exercises of something that looks like patriotism but lacks the courage have no place in this or any other country.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: betsyd@turbonet.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:41:28 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15 year oldinArizona<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">This really happened in WWII, but the poor Jews
were sent back to Germany to die in gas chambers.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sorry for the grim reminder.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Betsy</font></div>
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<a title="bookpeople@moscow.com" href="mailto:bookpeople@moscow.com">bookpeople
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">And there are thousands of babies born in this
country each day who are, in fact, citizens, who cannot say the pledge.
When they are old enough we could have a sorting process whereby
those who say it get a stamp of citizenship and those who refuse get sent off
to one of those 100s countries you mention. Of course, if they
aren't wanted there we could just keep them on some ship and let them
float from port to port--sort of modern day Philip Nolans.
(Remember--THE MAN WITHOUT A COUNTRY) And Geo. Bush wouldn't even have
to build a fence to keep them out. Simple solutions for
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">SueH </font></div>
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<a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
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Lund</a> ; <a title="garrettmc@verizon.net" href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net">'Garrett Clevenger'</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision
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<div>I think everyone that refuses the pledge should not be allowed
citizenship. If you don't like this country, there are 100s of others to
choose from. </div>
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<div>Best Regards,</div>
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<div>Donovan<br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:idahotom@hotmail.com">idahotom@hotmail.com</a>></i></b>
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"The Pledge of Allegiance" as acknowledged and honored by most of us
(myself included) . . .<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM</a><br> <br>Another
Pledge of Allegiance reflective of others among us . . .<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E</a><br> <br>You
make the call, Moscow.<br> <br>Tom Hansen<br>Moscow,
Idaho<br><br><br><br>
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<br>> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:39 -0700<br>> From:
sslund_2007@verizon.net<br>> To: garrettmc@verizon.net;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of
alligance written by a 15 year old in Arizona<br>> <br>> Hi
Garrett,<br>> <br>> Don't worry -- you didn't miss anything, I'm
sorry to say :-( I really<br>> liked Roger's forward about Attitude and
so was disappointed to read the<br>> forwarded new Pledge of Allegiance
School Prayer :-( It was nothing more<br>> than yet another Christian
refusing to accept that we've got non-Christian<br>> kids in public
schools whose faith is just as important to them as Christian<br>>
views are to Christians.<br>> <br>> <br>> Loving My Delete
Key,<br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>> <br>> The only
thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>>
nothing.<br>> ~ Edmund Burke<br>> <br>> ***** Original material
contained herein is Copyright 2008 through life plus<br>> 70 years,
Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
outside<br>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the<br>> author.*****<br>> <br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> On Behalf Of Garrett
Clevenger<br>> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:11 AM<br>> To: Vision
2020<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15
year old in<br>> Arizona<br>> <br>> I couldn't read the
attachment sent by Roger, but here<br>> is the "pledge" I say.
Personally, I have a hard time<br>> pledging allegiance to a
flag...<br>> <br>> <br>> I pledge allegiance to this
Earth<br>> and the life that makes this place possible<br>> and to
all of creation on which we depend.<br>> One planet, under the
sun,<br>> indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.<br>>
<br>> <br>> Not nearly as controversial as the standard
pledge,<br>> now is it?;)<br>> <br>> gclev<br>> <br>>
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