<DIV>Paul,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You missed what I said. I said that people that refuse to say the pledge to this country, not people that cannot. Obviously, someone who is a minor, deaf, has there tongue cut out, has advanced MS, or someone who is mentally incapable of consenting, could say the pledge. People that have not yet learned the language, that can learn, should learn, then get citizenship, not the other way around. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"What you have left are the blindly obedient, the people who don't give a <BR>rat's ass, and the people who have no problem saying the Pledge even if <BR>they don't agree with what it says, i.e. people who don't care whether <BR>or not they lie to your face. "</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry, Paul, that you have such a low opinion of people as to call all that say the pledge are blindly obedient. I think a person can be critical of their own country without thinking of it less than any other country.
</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What it would do, is it would get rid of the hypocrites that think that this country is something awful, while benefiting from it. It would expose those that are constantly trying to rip it down, and side with its enemies.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you think China, India, England, France, Denmark, Mexico, Japan, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Scotland, Thailand, any other nation, is better than the USA, then you should NOT be a US citizen, you should instead be a citizen of that nation, not ours. Your loyalties are with them, not the people of this country. This is a pretty simple concept.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Donovan<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Donovan, I think that
anybody who thinks this deserves what kind of <BR>country they will get in return. Go read 1984, or watch the movie V for <BR>Vendetta. Or just read about Germany's history.<BR><BR>So you've eliminated people who won't say the Pledge because of the <BR>"under God" part. You've also eliminated the people who won't say it <BR>because the idea of being forced to show loyalty to their country is <BR>anathema to them, despite what they may actually think of it. As an <BR>unintended side effect, you've eliminated some of those with mental <BR>problems and a few with specific physical deformities. You've also <BR>eliminated those who just arrived and haven't yet learned our language <BR>well enough, but I doubt you care about that.<BR><BR>What you have left are the blindly obedient, the people who don't give a <BR>rat's ass, and the people who have no problem saying the Pledge even if <BR>they don't agree with what it says, i.e. people who don't care whether <BR>or not they lie
to your face. <BR><BR>The people that share the ideals under which this country was founded <BR>will leave in droves after this comes to pass. Enjoy what's left.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR>> I think everyone that refuses the pledge should not be allowed <BR>> citizenship. If you don't like this country, there are 100s of others <BR>> to choose from.<BR>> <BR>> Best Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Donovan<BR>><BR>> */Tom Hansen <IDAHOTOM@HOTMAIL.COM>/* wrote:<BR>><BR>> "The Pledge of Allegiance" as acknowledged and honored by most of<BR>> us (myself included) . . .<BR>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfjZj4NY7EM<BR>> <BR>> Another Pledge of Allegiance reflective of others among us . . .<BR>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGwssbm2V5E<BR>> <BR>> You make the call, Moscow.<BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:18:39 -0700<BR>> > From: sslund_2007@verizon.net<BR>> > To: garrettmc@verizon.net; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a<BR>> 15 year old in Arizona<BR>> ><BR>> > Hi Garrett,<BR>> ><BR>> > Don't worry -- you didn't miss anything, I'm sorry to say :-( I<BR>> really<BR>> > liked Roger's forward about Attitude and so was disappointed to<BR>> read the<BR>> > forwarded new Pledge of Allegiance School Prayer :-( It was<BR>> nothing more<BR>> > than yet another Christian refusing to accept that we've got<BR>> non-Christian<BR>> > kids in public schools whose faith is just as important to them<BR>> as Christian<BR>> > views are to Christians.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Loving My Delete Key,<BR>> >
Saundra Lund<BR>> > Moscow, ID<BR>> ><BR>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good<BR>> people to do<BR>> > nothing.<BR>> > ~ Edmund Burke<BR>> ><BR>> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008<BR>> through life plus<BR>> > 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or<BR>> reproduce outside<BR>> > the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<BR>> > author.*****<BR>> ><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<BR>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<BR>> > On Behalf Of Garrett Clevenger<BR>> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:11 AM<BR>> > To: Vision 2020<BR>> > Subject: [Vision2020] New pledge of alligance written by a 15<BR>> year old in<BR>> > Arizona<BR>> ><BR>> > I couldn't read the attachment sent by Roger, but here<BR>>
> is the "pledge" I say. Personally, I have a hard time<BR>> > pledging allegiance to a flag...<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I pledge allegiance to this Earth<BR>> > and the life that makes this place possible<BR>> > and to all of creation on which we depend.<BR>> > One planet, under the sun,<BR>> > indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Not nearly as controversial as the standard pledge,<BR>> > now is it?;)<BR>> ><BR>> > gclev<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > =======================================================<BR>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > =======================================================<BR>><BR>> =======================================================<BR>>
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