<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/11/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Warren Hayman</b> <<a href="mailto:whayman@roadrunner.com">whayman@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:</span></div>
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<div>"However, in my view, everything occurring on our planet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Earth Biosphere, Inc. I will not elaborate on this concept, knowing full well the incredible can of worms it will open."</div>
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<div>Aren't you obamanating Gaylord Nelson's statement a bit with that quote? "The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment."</div>
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<div>I've always enjoyed that thought, and find said can much more full of common sense than worms, but what the heck.</div>
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<div>Well, I see that a worm or two managed to squiggle out of the can...</div>
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<div>Thanks for the reference to Gaylord Nelson and the "economy is a subsidiary of the environment" concept. I was writing within the context of the thread "Evangelical Christian Takeover of the Military," so I meant the quote you post as meaning more that religion is a "subsidiary" of the biosphere. I was not focusing on the economic implications of this concept given environmentalism. I did not make my meaning very clear. </div>
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<div>General Boykin's comments about whose God is bigger are ridiculous when looking at all religion as a development of human culture that is itself a subset of the web of life on Earth. From this point of view, it might be said that bacteria are "bigger" than any God, given that if all bacteria disappeared from Earth, humanity would go extinct, along with General Boykin and all the other evangelicals. It is easy to overlook how absolutely dependent human existence is on the web of life on Earth, even on "lowly" lifeforms, such as bacteria.</div>
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<div>Such a concept, that religion is a "subsidiary" of the biosphere, is a can of worms, theologically and philosophically, given the difficulties in defending its truth, and politically and even personally speaking, given how expressing such a point of view can make an organization or a person unpopular. What do you think the odds would be for a presidential candidate to be elected who openly asserted they were not Christian? Obama has to go out of his way to insist he is a Christian, due to the political damage of being perceived as Muslim, even with similarities between the two religions in belief in God. </div>
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<div>We live in a culture, to state the obvious, with an overwhelming dominance of a "God" oriented view of the universe, where God sits as creator of the Earth and all humanity, and Nature is more of a stage for the drama than the source of life upon which we are absolutely dependent for our creation (evolution) and continued survival.</div>
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<div>Now is the "can of worms" I was referring to defined a bit better?</div>
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<div>Precisely define "obamanating." This word is not in my dictionary. I'd guess it's a newly coined "word" referring to the charge Barack Obama recently made public statements that were actually quotes from someone else, who was not given credit by Obama.</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="starbliss@gmail.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" target="_blank">Ted Moffett</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="debismith@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com" target="_blank">deb</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="donaledwards@hotmail.com" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:donaledwards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">donald edwards</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2008 9:43 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] The Evangelical Christian Takeover of the Military</div>
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<div>Deb et. al.</div>
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<div>The article mentions the comments from US General Boykin in recent years:</div>
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<div>"Well you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his," said Lt Gen Boykin. "I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol." <br> </div>
<div>However, in my view, everything occurring on our planet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Earth Biosphere, Inc. I will not elaborate on this concept, knowing full well the incredible can of worms it will open.</div>
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<div>Ted Moffett<br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/10/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">deb</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com" target="_blank">debismith@moscow.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><font face="Arial">Good grief. This is frightening, especially given our involvement in wars in non-christian countries. Given the problems with "don't ask, don't tell", the difficulty of military Pagans killed in action getting their tombstones marked with their religious affiliation, and the dramatic decrease in those willing to be part of the US military as it now functions, you would think these officers might catch a clue. How far our proud military has fallen to be taken over by zealots and bigots. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Pained,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Debi R-S</font><span> </span></div></div></blockquote></div></span><span class="q">
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