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<br>I'm curious about your previous assertion that FDR was one of the worst presidents ever. Can you tell me why?<br><br>I think he was one of the best. I'm not being snide. <br><br>I maintain Reagan was one of the worst. Again, not being snide.<br><br>I think Jimmy Carter was one of the most decent men to ever be president, and proof positive that decent men are often really bad presidents. With no trace of snideness -- I'm entirely sincere in this -- I think George W. Bush is neither decent nor a good president. With acknowledged sarcasm, I suppose the nicest thing I could say about him is that he would be a good next-door neighbor if I needed a lot of brush cut around my property.<br><br>Your turn.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: sbasoa@moscow.com<br>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:20:30 -0800<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> <br>> Nothing could be farther from the truth. We have had some very good <br>> presidents. J.F. Kennedy, D.D. Eisenhower, H.S. Truman, C. Coolidge, and A. <br>> Lincoln for instance. We have also had some truly great presidents as well. <br>> G. Washington, (the best ever bar none) T. Jefferson, J. Madison, and, of <br>> course, R. W. Reagan.<br>> <br>> Perhaps you would be more comfortable with a monarchy?<br>> <br>> g<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Steven Basoa" <sbasoa@moscow.com><br>> Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:24 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> <br>> <br>> > Yeah, and add those 43 other presidents as well...<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:38 PM, g. crabtree wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Roger, You left LBJ off of your worst presidents list. An inadvertent<br>> > oversight I'm sure. I think that there is also a strong case to be<br>> > made for<br>> > Woodrow Wilson and, despite popular sentiment, FDR.<br>> ><br>> > g<br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: "lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> > To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Gary is right on Obama. Keely is wrong on Bush. Bush is far from<br>> >> the best<br>> >> president we have had, but he is far from the worst. The bottom tier<br>> >> consists of Buchcanan, Pierce, Harding, and Carter. This is the<br>> >> consensus<br>> >> of most historians. The rankings change with time, but most agree<br>> >> these<br>> >> are the worst. W. H. Harrisson and Garfield weren'y president long<br>> >> enough<br>> >> to be evaluated.<br>> >> Paul's idea on elections has some merit and it would save the<br>> >> expenses of<br>> >> a runoff election.<br>> >> Roger<br>> >><br>> >> -----Original message-----<br>> >> From: "g. crabtree" jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> >> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:24:43 -0800<br>> >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> >><br>> >>> With pleasure:<br>> >>><br>> >>> Estimated 800 Billion in new government spending for starters.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Massive tax hikes to pay for above. (a 39.6 percent personal<br>> >>> income tax,<br>> >>> a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent<br>> >>> capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent<br>> >>> death<br>> >>> tax, again just for starters. High likelihood of even higher rates<br>> >>> for<br>> >>> capital gains and death tax)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Enormous increases in government bureaucracy. (health care,<br>> >>> mortgages,<br>> >>> education, etc.)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Weakened military. (zero military or foreign affairs expertise)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Additional intrusion by the government into the most minute<br>> >>> aspects of<br>> >>> our daily lives.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Large increase in illegal immigration. (favors drivers licenses for<br>> >>> illegals, weak on border enforcement)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Disintegration of second amendment rights.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Erosion of first amendment rights. (fairness doctrine, additional<br>> >>> campaign finance reform)<br>> >>><br>> >>> Will drive more U.S. corporations overseas. (major increases in<br>> >>> tax rate<br>> >>> and regulation)<br>> >>><br>> >>> This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on. Pretty much<br>> >>> all the<br>> >>> things that make you all warm and tingly down below are the things<br>> >>> that<br>> >>> make me pretty much sick to my stomach.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Would I be correct in assuming that your second paragraph with the<br>> >>> multiple snide remarks about GW was included as an example of the<br>> >>> sorts<br>> >>> of things I should avoid to merit the "extra credit" you spoke of<br>> >>> in the<br>> >>> first paragraph?<br>> >>><br>> >>> g<br>> >>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >>> From: keely emerinemix<br>> >>> To: g. crabtree ; Chasuk ; Vision2020<br>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:32 PM<br>> >>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Please describe, Gary, why an Obama presidency would be a "horror<br>> >>> show." Extra credit if you can do it without being snide.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Even if not measured against the current occupant we have in the<br>> >>> Oval<br>> >>> Office, Barack Obama would represent an enormous improvement in<br>> >>> brainpower, heart, and backbone, one for which I'll enthusiastically<br>> >>> campaign. Of course the next president will be compared to Bush,<br>> >>> which<br>> >>> will have the effect of further consigning Bush to the bottom of<br>> >>> the heap<br>> >>> of history's losers.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Keely<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> >>>> To: chasuk@gmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:46:26 -0800<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Run Ralph, Run! America needs you. (to help save us from the horror<br>> >>> show<br>> >>>> that would be Obama)<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> g<br>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >>>> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk@gmail.com><br>> >>>> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:01 PM<br>> >>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>> http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential<br>> >>> campaign.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> The consumer advocate will appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" on<br>> >>> Sunday.<br>> >>>>> Nader launched his 2004 presidential run on the show.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> A spokesman for Nader did not immediately return a call seeking<br>> >>> comment.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Kevin Zeese, who was Nader's spokesman during the 2004 presidential<br>> >>>>> race, but is no longer working for him, said Friday that Nader has<br>> >>>>> been actively talking to "lots of people on all sorts of levels"<br>> >>> about<br>> >>>>> the possibility of making another run.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Zeese said he could only guess what Nader might do, but added:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> "Obviously, I don't think ("Meet the Press" host) Tim Russert would<br>> >>>>> have him on for no reason."<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Last month, Nader began an exploratory presidential campaign and<br>> >>>>> launched a Web site that promises to fight "corporate greed,<br>> >>> corporate<br>> >>>>> power, corporate control."<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>> =======================================================<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- <br>> >>> ---------<br>> >>> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. 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