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Walter Steed says (wisely?):<br><pre>"Locating by Pullman would have had no impact on water<br>from our aquifer as it would be drawn from the same<br>basin."<br><br>Em, what part of "the same basin" does he not get? OF COURSE IT WOULD IMPACT US!<br><br>If you see somehow that it wouldn't, please enlighten us with your oh-so-great wisdom, Mr. Steed, so that we may <br>all be on the same page....like as in, "in the same know".<br><br>Sheesh!</pre>J :]<br><br><br>> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:58:44 -0800<br>> From: garrettmc@verizon.net<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Water and Sewer Agreements: reply from Walter Steed<br>> <br>> I'm pasting Walter Steed's reply to my post yesterday<br>> (It's a reply to me, though he thinks I'm "Jason<br>> Hawkins" the Hawkins developer guy, as I had put his<br>> name and phone number near the end of the message)<br>> <br>> Garrett<br>> <br>> <br>> Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:52:15<br>> <br>> Jason, Thank you for your questions.<br>> <br>> We did ask why that particular site and the answer we<br>> got was that they could find no land large enough and<br>> suitable for them to use in Moscow. I believe they<br>> wanted to be by Moscow to take advantage of the larger<br>> retail presence we have than does Pullman. <br>> <br>> Locating by Pullman would have had no impact on water<br>> from our aquifer as it would be drawn from the same<br>> basin.<br>> <br>> I guess we will just have to disagree regarding the<br>> impacts on Moscow businesses. I believe a Lowes, for<br>> example, would attract shoppers from outside our area<br>> who are then likely to do additional shopping in<br>> Moscow. I know when we go to Costco in Clarkston or<br>> to a specific store in Spokane, we often buy from<br>> other businesses, including restaurants, movies and<br>> gas stations, for which we would not have made the<br>> trip.<br>> <br>> Again, thank you for your concerns and inquiries.<br>> <br>> Walter<br>> <br>> Walter Steed<br>> 1345 Ridgeview Drive<br>> Moscow ID 83843<br>> Phone 208-883-0123<br>> Fax 208-882-7184<br>> wmsteed@aol.com<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> [Vision2020] Water and Sewer Agreements<br>> Garrett Clevenger<br>> <br>> Hello City,<br>> <br>> I'd also like to know, did anyone ever ask Hawkins why<br>> they chose the site by our border?<br>> <br>> Obviously, that is presenting direct competition to<br>> Moscow, without providing any tax revenue back. Are<br>> they planning to put some money into the city coffers<br>> besides their payment for water and sewage? <br>> <br>> Did anyone ask Hawkins to find a location closer to<br>> Pullman, as that would seem more "neighborly" and less<br>> an attempt at not only sucking lots of groundwater for<br>> from what seems an unnecessary development, but also<br>> sucking out money that more than likely would be spent<br>> in Moscow instead?<br>> <br>> How do the other Moscow malls, and other businesses<br>> feel about this agreement?<br>> <br>> Were they consulted with and given an opportunity to<br>> affect the discussion?<br>> <br>> Frankly, I'm again disappointed by the city actions<br>> over this. You have agreed to a huge deal that you<br>> say was your attempt to control a uncontrolable<br>> development, and in the process, have guaranteed an<br>> outside-the-state private entity an extraordinary<br>> amount of water and sewage services, yet while, from<br>> what I can tell, they can still drill a well if for<br>> some reason they need more water. And you did this<br>> without, from what I can tell, allowing for a public<br>> discussion before you agreed to your secret terms.<br>> <br>> It seems that if the city has given in to standing up<br>> for Moscow, perhaps people should contact the Hawkins<br>> people? Maybe they would be reasonable and understand<br>> our concerns and do the right thing. Otherwise, it<br>> seems Moscow is doomed to have growing competition<br>> really close to our boarder, and with the precident<br>> set, they all are going to want a piece of the<br>> "agreement." <br>> <br>> Unfortunately, Hawkins Companies LLC is a pretty big<br>> developer located throughout the country, so more than<br>> likely their bottom line is to make $$$. Thanks to<br>> the city, they saved Hawkins quite a lot of hassle and<br>> dollars. Quite a gift to give to a major potential<br>> competitor...<br>> <br>> Jason Hawkins<br>> 208 376 8522<br>> <br>> http://www.hawkinscompanies.com/contact.htm<br>> <br>> Sincerely,<br>> <br>> Garrett Clevenger<br>> <br>> <br>> --- Saundra Lund <sslund_2007 at verizon.net> wrote:<br>> <br>> > In part, Garrett wrote:<br>> > "Does anyone know if Moscow has similar agreements<br>> > with other private<br>> > parties guaranteeing them water and sewer?"<br>> > <br>> > Thanks, Garrett, for asking the question because<br>> > it's something I've been<br>> > wondering as well. My limited understanding from<br>> > watching previous city<br>> > councils is that it seems for property *outside*<br>> > Moscow city limits to be<br>> > able to get City of Moscow water & sewer services,<br>> > they generally have to be<br>> > annexed into city limits. However comments made by<br>> > some have made me wonder<br>> > if perhaps I've misunderstood previous requests from<br>> > those outside city<br>> > limits to be served by city water & sewer?<br>> > <br>> > Does anyone know how many water and/or sewer<br>> > customers outside city limits<br>> > Moscow has and how long the City has accommodated<br>> > such requests?<br>> > <br>> > And, since I got no response to my earlier question<br>> > (given the breadth of<br>> > varied knowledge of Visionaries, I thought this<br>> > would be a good place to<br>> > ask, but maybe not), I'm going to ask again: can<br>> > someone please tell me<br>> > what effect the City of Moscow supplying water to<br>> > the Hawkins development<br>> > will have on our ability to meet the voluntary<br>> > pumping limits in the Ground<br>> > Water Management Plan? IIRC, we've only recently<br>> > managed to meet the 1%<br>> > annual increase limit and we were very close to the<br>> > top of the 125% ceiling.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > TIA,<br>> > Saundra Lund<br>> > Moscow, ID<br>> > <br>> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is<br>> > for good people to do<br>> > nothing.<br>> > ~ Edmund Burke<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! <a href='http://biggestloser.msn.com/' target='_new'>Learn more.</a></body>
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