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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Inasmuch as I continue to support Hillary Clinton for
President for reasons that may not appeal to anyone's political logic but mine,
and because I was so vehement over the Gerry Weitz attempt to refashion the
world in his image, I have tried to tone it down a bit and be much more my
lovable non-contentious self; however, I find I must agree with Sunil on this
one. Had it been any other child in any other
circumstance the right wing zealots who champion "the father as
head of the family" world view would have been right there with the
police to be sure he was returned to his rightful
owner. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> I also believe a more visable role for
Bill Clinton in Gore's campaign just might have been enough to keep the Rs
from stealing that election. I think Gore was hurt, not helped, by his
refusal to involve Clinton. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One question, too: Doesn't the Idaho sunshine law
cover city council actions? If so, how could they legally vote in a
closed session to sign a contract with Hawkins?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sue H. </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] child forced
back/was Romney drops out!?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I know I'm sidetracking...<BR><BR>I agree that returning a
child to his father may have caused political problems for Gore had he
accepted help from Bill Clinton in 2000. But I do disagree that 'they
forced that Cuban child back to Castro.'<BR><BR>They returned a child to his
father after his mother's death. A child should be with his or her
natural parents unless there's a showing that the parents are unfit.
There was no such showing in the Gonzalez case. Instead we had politics
sticking its ugly head into family business, just as we later saw in the Terry
Schiavo case.<BR><BR>Extended family, wherever they're located, don't get to
grab someone else's child unless the parent/s are unfit. We wouldn't
allow the Beverly Hills relatives to grab a Moscow/Potlatch/Deary child from a
parent just because the relatives had a big house with a cement
pond.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR><BR>
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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:04:17 -0800<BR>From:
donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<BR>To: sdredge@yahoo.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney drops
out!?<BR><BR>
<DIV>Scott,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In 2000 Bill Clinton had a 42% approval rating. Campaigning with
Clinton in 2000 would have been a kiss of death. He had an even lower rating
in Florida because they forced that Cuban child back to Castro. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yes, Gore lost the election because Florida's Secretary of State,
Kathleen Harris, certified the wrong set of popular votes giving the
electoral votes to Bush instead of Gore. Also, Nader split the Democratic
vote in Vermont, giving the state to Bush. Gore didn't lose the election in
2000, it was stolen from him, and Nader made it possible. Nader doesn't have
issues he is concerned with, he is only concerned about himself. The
environment has been demolished and set back decades because Bush was
allowed into office. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan <BR><BR><B><I>Scott Dredge
<sdredge@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new york,times,serif">It's
a stretch to suggest that Nader sabotaged the 2000 election. The
reason Al Gore lost was because of Al Gore himself. Under the
categories of coulda, woulda, shoulda, Gore coulda had Bill Clinton
campaigning for him instead of distancing himself from Clinton. And
Bill Clinton knows how to run a successful campaign.<BR><BR>I'd like to
see a Clinton/Obama ticket running against a McCain/anybody ticket.
Also, it doesn't particularly matter much to me which ticket wins, I'm
just looking forward to the regime change even though George W. Bush is
basically neutered at this stage.<BR><BR>-Scott<BR><BR>
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Ted Moffett
<starbliss@gmail.com><BR>To: Garrett Clevenger
<garrettmc@verizon.net><BR>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Sent:
Friday, February 8, 2008 1:36:56 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Romney
drops out!?<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=EC_gmail_quote>On 2/8/08, <B
class=EC_gmail_sendername>Garrett Clevenger</B> <<A
href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net"
rel=nofollow>garrettmc@verizon.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=EC_gmail_quote></SPAN> </DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Edwards
would be good, as I like what he says, but my<BR>preference would be
Ralph Nader, who may very well<BR>campaign for
President. Appealing to Progressives is<BR>good with me,
despite whatever baggage Nader may have<BR>(and really, who doesn't have
baggage?)<BR><BR>Nader has a record of working on changing America
for<BR>the better for 40 years. He is well connected to
the<BR>activist community, and engaging activists is key to<BR>changing
our country from it's disastrous course. An<BR>Obama/Nader
ticket sounds sweet to me.<BR><BR>gclev</BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Many progressives begged Nader to drop out of the 2000 presidential
race, due to the potential of splitting the Democratic vote
harming Gore's chances. We all know the result. Nader helped
put Bush in the White House in 2000. Nader's Florida votes alone
gave Florida's electoral votes to Bush, as the vote count actually was
counted, though we also know that absent illegal voter disenfranchisement,
deliberately pushed by Florida's Secretary of State and Bush supporter
Katherine Harris, Gore would have won Florida, even with Nader's
participation.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Republican operatives were running ads supporting Nader's 2000
candidacy, knowing this would hurt Gore. And Nader knew this.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nader even argued that a Bush presidency might be good for the nation
in the long run, given that Bush would create such a back lash against his
policies that progressives in the long run would become more unified and
motivated. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But as far as I am concerned, given the damage of the Bush
administration, Nader's 2000 presidential run was an irresponsible
application of idealistic principles over sensible practical politics,
resulting in wounds that may not heal for decades. The pending US
Supreme Court nominations in 2000 alone were enough of a reason for Nader
to withdraw to allow Gore the best chance of a win. Nader and
everyone knew there was zero chance of Nader taking the White House.
His presidential run did not even result in a stronger party base
supporting Nader or those who support his policies. His supporters
are more off the radar now than in 2000.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I recall hearing from Nader supporters in 2000 how Gore and Bush both
represented corporate big money, and entrenched elitist Washington power,
and were not that different. Well, we have seen that however much
this was true, there were substantial differences between Gore and Bush
that would have taken the USA in very different directions on critical
issues, the invasion of Iraq and climate change, for example. I do
not believe Gore would have supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq,
and he would have began to address climate change while the Bush
administration was in denial, backing big oil and energy interests, who
did not want to address climate change for obvious financial
reasons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nader would be a terrible choice for a VP candidate under
Obama. I lost respect for him as a politician after his sabotage of
the 2000 presidential election. This showed he is not willing
to compromise when the overall good of the nation is at stake.
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted Moffett</DIV>
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