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<br>I'm sorry you assume I don't care . . . I tend not to lie about things like that.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br>> To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<br>> From: pkraut@moscow.com<br>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:49:14 +0000<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors<br>> <br>> I am going to respond...not that I believe you really care but I do care <br>> about our young people and what they are learning.<br>> Yes, I like the idea of 'chain gang' labor. Too many of our young people <br>> are left with the idea that the system will take care of them and they <br>> are left with no work ethic. They didn't learn it at home and they are <br>> not getting it from a system that is afraid of being sued by someone who <br>> got their feelings hurt by having to actually work. They are sent into <br>> the world seeking all the help with no idea how to just do it themselves. <br>> The bible sayes that those who won't work don't eat and I think in our <br>> efforts to give we forget that they need to know how to work. On the <br>> other hand 'if you don't have the time, don't do the crime'!<br>> <br>> <br>> > <br>> > Pat, would you prefer that we "do things like that" again, somehow, if <br>> it<br>> m> eans causing harm to young people? <br>> > You seem angry that care and concern are shown to vulnerable people, <br>> and I<br>> > know you're a Christian. How does that work in you? I'm not trying to<br>> sla> m you. I'm trying to understand you.<br>> > <br>> > Take care,<br>> > Keely<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > > To: vision2020@mail-gw.fsr.net<br>> > > From: pkraut@moscow.com<br>> > > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:07:44 +0000<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors<br>> > > <br>> > > You cannot do that to the poor darlings on probation. You'll hurt <br>> their <br>> > > feelings and we are not allowed to do things like that anymore. <br>> > > <br>> > > > In Couer d' Alene, if the walks aren't cleared by 9:00 am, and kept <br>> > > clear,<br>> > > > the city will do it, and fine the property owner $100.00. If the <br>> fine <br>> > > isn't<br>> > > > paid, it is attached as a lien on their property.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Put the kids on probation to work. It is a tangible way to know <br>> they <br>> > > have<br>> > > > completed the job. If the snow hasn't been removed, the job isn't <br>> done.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > I respectfully disagree with you, Matt. The buck stops with the <br>> owner <br>> > > of the<br>> > > > property. Why should I get injured due to the neglance of a <br>> property <br>> > > owner?<br>> > > > Taking care of the sidewalks is part of the responsibility of being <br>> a<br>> > > > property owner.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Also, Matt, I appreciate your gracious offer to shovel my walks <br>> last <br>> > > week...<br>> > > > *smile* I don't have any sidewalks, other than a short three foot<br>> walk> <br>> > > to<br>> > > > the gravel alley.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Janesta<br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > On 1/28/08, Matt Decker <mattd2107@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I think going down this road can lead to a whole new can of worms.<br>> If> <br>> > > we<br>> > > > > start doing contractor work for snow, then whats next?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Maybe I can start billing the city for plowing my street.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I believe if the people in town need help with the sidewalks, <br>> just <br>> > > ask.<br>> > > > > Many out there will help. No need to fine people who in most <br>> cases <br>> > > can't do<br>> > > > > it or are out of town.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > 2 cents<br>> > > > > Matt<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > ------------------------------<br>> > > > > From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>> > > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:39:08 -0800<br>> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] Contractors<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > I know this won't solve the issue today, but has the City or <br>> County <br>> > > ever<br>> > > > > thought about having contractors on retainer, so that if a <br>> problem <br>> > > area<br>> > > > > sidewalk owner/responsible party refuses to or is slow to clean <br>> it <br>> > > off, the<br>> > > > > contractor is brought in to do the cleaning off and then the<br>> > > > > owner/responsible party is fined for the work done? If there <br>> isn't <br>> > > anything<br>> > > > > like that now on the books, is there a possibility to consider it<br>> in> <br>> > > the<br>> > > > > future, like for next year?<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Comments????<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > J :]<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > ------------------------------<br>> > > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn<br>> > > more.<http://biggestloser.msn.com/><br>> > > > ><br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > ------------------------------<br>> > > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! 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