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This is some of what Anchorage, for instance, has to say; comments?<br><br><div class="Normal-Level"><div class="block"><font size="4"><span style="font-family: Arial Black,Geneva,Arial,Sans-serif;">This is relative to snow removal:</span></font><br><br>24.80.090 Removal of snow and ice from sidewalks and accessible parking spaces--Duties of occupants of real property.<br><br>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">A. An occupant of land upon which is located an
accessible parking space or which is adjacent to a public sidewalk
shall be responsible for the removal of any accumulation of snow and
the removal or treatment of any ice that may accumulate, form or be
deposited thereon.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">B. Between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m., it
shall be unlawful for any occupant of land subject to the requirements
of this section to fail to remove any accumulation of snow or to fail
to remove or treat any accumulation of ice from all accessible parking
spaces or adjacent public sidewalks.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">C. For purposes of this section, any accumulation of
snow of two inches or more, or any accumulation of ice of one inch or
more, or any combination thereof to a depth of two inches or more, or
any accumulation of untreated ice at any point on a public sidewalk or
accessible parking space, shall create a rebuttable presumption that
the occupant has violated this section.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">D. No person shall place, leave or deposit upon any
street, avenue, alley, sidewalk or other public place any accumulation
of snow or ice which has been removed from a private driveway or
parking area.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">E. This section may be enforced by any officer or
employee of the municipality who has been appointed as a peace officer
pursuant to<a class="Jump" href="javascript:parent.setJumpLink(%2212717%22,%22Section 1.45.030%22,%220-0-0-862%22);">Section 1.45.030</a>or by any police officer.</div>
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<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">F. Notwithstanding the prohibitions stated in<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9307">Section 24.80.070</a>, it shall be lawful to deposit snow at the edge of a street only if:</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l1">1. Such snow has been removed solely from a public sidewalk adjacent to that street;</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l1">2. The street into which the snow was deposited is located within the central business traffic district, as defined in<a class="Jump" href="javascript:parent.setJumpLink(%2212717%22,%22Section 9.04.010%22,%220-0-0-3011%22);">Section 9.04.010</a>; and</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l1">3. The snow is deposited in that street before the
most recent snowfall which fell directly into that street has been
removed therefrom. The accumulation of ice, snow or a combination
thereof in a street of four or more inches creates a rebuttable
presumption that the most recent snowfall on such street has not yet
been removed.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="block">(CAC 10.48.200; AO No. 80-185; AO No. 87-138(S); AO No. 2001-4, § 1, 2-6-01)<br><br><font size="4"><span style="font-family: Arial Black,Geneva,Arial,Sans-serif;">Definitions:</span></font><br><br>24.80.100 Removal of snow and ice from sidewalks and accessible parking spaces--Definitions.<br><br>
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<div class="p0">The following words, terms and phrases, when used in Sections<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">24.80.090</a>through<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9317">24.80.110</a>, shall have the meanings ascribed to them in this section, except where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:</div>
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<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Accessible parking space</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">means a space required by this Code to provide parking for persons with disabilities.</span>
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<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="p0">
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Occupant</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">means
the person presently entitled to possession or control of land adjacent
to a public sidewalk, including but not limited to an owner, tenant,
lessee, sublessee or subtenant. For purposes of this subsection, the
owner of real property shall be presumed to be the owner of record as
shown on the municipal assessor's records. A person entitled to
possession or control of land shall be deemed an occupant for purposes
of this subsection regardless of whether any business or residence of
such person is physically located on the land.</span>
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</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="p0">
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Person</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">includes but is not limited to a natural person, corporation, partnership, association or governmental agency.</span>
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<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="p0">
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Public sidewalk</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">means
any improved walkway intended for use by the public on or adjacent to a
parcel of real property located in an R-O, B-1, B-2A, B-2B, B-2C, B-3,
B-4, I-1, I-2, I-3 or PLI zoning district.</span>
</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="p0">
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Remove</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">means
the elimination by any means of all or substantially all snow or ice
from all surfaces of a public sidewalk. Any accumulation of two inches
of snow, or one inch of ice, or any combination thereof to a depth of
two inches or more, remaining at any point on a public sidewalk shall
create a rebuttable presumption that the snow or ice has not been
removed for purposes of<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">Section 24.80.090</a>.</span>
</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="p0">
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: italic; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">Treat</span>
<span style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; display: inline;">means
the placement of salt, sand, sawdust, cinders or similar material
designed to reduce or eliminate hazards to pedestrian traffic from
accumulations of ice on public sidewalks. Treatment of ice shall be
deemed accomplished only if such treatment is sufficient to allow a
reasonably prudent pedestrian to walk safely over the ice. Any
accumulation of untreated ice on a public sidewalk shall create a
rebuttable presumption that the ice has not been treated for purposes of<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">Section 24.80.090</a>.</span>
</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="block">(AO No. 80-185; AO No. 2001-4, § 1, 2-6-01)</div>
</div><br><br><br><font size="4"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: Arial Black,Geneva,Arial,Sans-serif;">And here is their "Penalties" section:</span></font><br><br><br>24.80.110 Removal of snow and ice from sidewalks and accessible parking spaces--Penalties.<br><br>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">A. Any person who violates the provisions of<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">Section 24.80.090</a>or
otherwise fails to comply with the duties set forth therein shall be
subject to a fine of not less than $50.00 and not more than $300.00 for
each offense. Each act of violation and every day upon which any such
violation shall occur shall constitute a separate offense.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="l0">B. In addition to any other remedy or penalty provided by this section, any person who violates any provision of<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">Section 24.80.090</a>shall be subject to a civil penalty as set forth in<a class="Jump" href="javascript:parent.setJumpLink(%2212717%22,%22Section 14.60.030%22,%220-0-0-864%22);">Section 14.60.030</a>, or, if no penalty is provided<a class="Jump" href="javascript:parent.setJumpLink(%2212717%22,%22Section 14.60.030%22,%220-0-0-864%22);">Section 14.60.030</a>,
a civil penalty of not less than $50.00 and not more than $1,000.00 for
each offense, or injunctive relief to restrain the person from
continuing the violation or threat of violation, or both injunctive
relief and a civil penalty. Upon application for injunctive relief and
a finding that a person is violating or threatening to violate any
provision of<a class="Data" href="http://library1.municode.com/default/DocView/12717/1/364/376#0-0-0-9313">Section 24.80.090</a>, the superior court shall grant injunctive relief to restrain the violation.</div>
</div>
<div class="Normal-Level">
<div class="block">(AO No. 80-185; AO No. 82-22; AO No. 93-167(S-1), § 20, 4-13-94; AO No. 2001-4, § 1, 2-6-01)</div>
</div><br></div>
</div><br></div>
</div><br><br>J :]<br><br><br><blockquote><hr>Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:10:28 -0800<br>From: sslund_2007@verizon.net<br>To: mattd2107@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors<br><br>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi
Again Matt and Other Interested Visionaries:</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks
for the response – I enjoy the conversation.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In
reading your response, I’m worried that I may have inadvertently given
the impression with my second to the last paragraph that I was somehow
questioning any eligibility criteria the City & PCEI have regarding eligibility
for assistance from Snow Patrol volunteers. Please allow me to clarify I
absolutely didn’t mean to give that impression at all.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
was my last paragraph:</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, even if I had didn’t have a crappy back, I
don’t think I’d be too interested in spending too much time
volunteering to clear sidewalks for those able-but-unwilling to do the job
themselves to help keep the rest of us safe, you know? Nor am I very
interested in having my tax dollars go to clear the sidewalks of those
able-but-unwilling to do the job themselves to help keep the rest of us safe.”</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
apologize for being unclear: those thoughts had absolutely nothing to do
with our wonderful volunteer Snow Patrol Program.</span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rather,
that paragraph was meant to address the kind of generic attitude I’ve
heard and read that, “Yeah, it’s important that sidewalks be
cleared, but we shouldn’t fine non-elderly, non-differently-abled property
owners who choose not to clear the sidewalks they’re responsible for –
let’s have volunteers do it or find some other solution.”<b><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
think the idea of “neighbors helping neighbors” some have mentioned
is great! Those situations aren’t a problem because someone is willingly
clearing those sidewalks.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But,
that doesn’t change the fact that too many sidewalks aren’t being
cleared in a timely matter, and it’s a public safety issue. For
those who don’t believe me, talk to kids who walk to school. Talk
to our elderly, many of whom become shut-in when there’s snow on the
ground because they’re – rightly -- afraid of falling on uncleared
sidewalks. Take to our differently-abled community members, and to those
who work with them. Talk to people who still walk to work even in the winter,
or to the college students who walk to campus. Listen to people like
Janesta and Bev and myself and all the others who don’t turn a blind eye or
a deaf ear to the problem. There <b><u>is</u></b> a public safety issue
that’s problem during the winter months year after year after year.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Clearly,
I’m not directing my rant <g> at you, Matt, because you have
admirably become part of the solution for the elderly and differently-abled
property owners who aren’t able to clear their sidewalks. Again, my
sincere gratitude to you and to the others who are helping!</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’m
intrigued with the idea of having youth (and adults, too, who aren’t gainfully
employed) on probation clear sidewalks. I don’t know how feasible
it is, but I’m intrigued.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However,
even if something like that is possible, I think the property owner should bear
the cost, and those costs could go back into the tax coffers. If those on
probation do the work, there are still costs associated with such an effort.
Why should 10% (or whatever) of irresponsible able-but-unwilling property
owners get a free service from the rest of the tax payers? I definitely
don’t think we want to get into the position of rewarding those who
choose to disregard public safety, be irresponsible property owners, and flout
the law, do you?</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’m
open-minded on the topic, but other than having some process in place for
clearing the public sidewalks property owners choose not to clear and billing
the property owner for the cost, I’ve not seen any workable suggestions
yet. I believe this to be an important public safety issue that deserves
to have a solution precisely <b>because</b> we live in an area where there’s
snow in the winter.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
repeat: other communities in snow areas long ago came up with workable solutions
to the problem – why can’t Moscow?</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">JMHO . . . Again,</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Saundra Lund</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moscow, ID</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~ Edmund Burke</span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written
permission of the author.*****</span></b></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Matt Decker
[mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saundra Lund; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vision2020] Contractors</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Saundra,<br>
<br>
Fair enough. i understand your point and frustration. I know we can all do more
to help each other and pay attention to others, such as car placement. I go
through cars being in my snow plowing way, every morning. <br>
<br>
I guess I am one that would rather help out first then, if that doesnt solve it
resort to 882-cops. This is why I am volunteering my time through the PCEI to
help others that are unable. I too, just like J Ford helps the neighbors out
when needed, just like I assume or hope all of us on the V do.<br>
<br>
I am not sure how PCEI filters it's clients to insure an "unable"
person, but believe me if I ever find out I am volunteering time to an able
bodied person, I'm outta there.<br>
<br>
Take care<br>
Matt</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:15:18 -0800<br>
From: sslund_2007@verizon.net<br>
To: mattd2107@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Matt,</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Well, I’m not sure I can agree with you that “we all
want clean clear streets.” <b>I</b> absolutely agree with you, but
have you driven around town lately? As today’s City Press Release
posted here on the Viz highlights, there are more than a few people who
haven’t bothered to move their vehicles so plows can do the job.
Perhaps some are broken down, in which case they shouldn’t be parked on
public streets. Perhaps some owners are out of town, in which case their
vehicles shouldn’t be left parked on public streets, particularly in
winter.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Whatever the various reasons folks have left their cars parked
on public streets for extended periods, it’s created a public safety
issue for all of us attempting to get around whether by walking, biking, or
driving.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The same public safety issues arises when property owners fail
to clear their sidewalks. I’m with you in that I don’t’
think CdA’s 9 AM deadline is realistic -- what if you shovel at 7 AM
before leaving for work and another 2” fall after you’ve left for
work?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, I absolutely agree with Janesta and others that we need
to do more to address the many, many situations of those who aren’t
clearing their sidewalks in a timely manner.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am proud to live in a community that has come up with a
solution for the elderly and differently-abled who aren’t able to clear
their own sidewalks, but what about all the property owners who just
don’t seem to give a darn, putting the safety of the rest of us at risk?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Other communities have come up with workable solutions –
why can’t we? The current system really doesn’t work well, as
those of us (including school children) who are pedestrians in winter are well
aware of.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have a crappy back and therefore can’t help out with the
City of Moscow’s & PCEI’s wonderful Snow Patrol (<a href="http://www.pcei.org/VolunteerSnow.htm" target="_blank">http://www.pcei.org/VolunteerSnow.htm</a>)
– but kudos to you and others who are helping!</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">However, even if I had didn’t have a crappy back, I
don’t think I’d be too interested in spending too much time
volunteering to clear sidewalks for those able-but-unwilling to do the job
themselves to help keep the rest of us safe, you know? Nor am I very
interested in having my tax dollars go to clear the sidewalks of those
able-but-unwilling to do the job themselves to help keep the rest of us safe.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thus, it seems to me an infinitely reasonable solution is to
have a mechanism in place to get the flippin’ job done in a timely manner
and then bill the property owner.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">JMHO,</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Saundra Lund</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Moscow, ID</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
people to do nothing.</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~ Edmund Burke</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"></span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2008
through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt,
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Matt Decker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> J Ford; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Contractors</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">J,<br>
<br>
Try having a conversation w/o harping on someone you disagree with for once
will ya.<br>
<br>
To fine people for not being done by 9 am regardless, to me, is too harsh
of a rule. There are too many what ifs. How can you justify making a cop or
firefighter get paid help because he/she is out protecting YOU. Or how can you
have it in your heart to make the guy clearing the streets and sidewalks of the
snow, that the cops have to pay for, pay an extra $500 a month. <br>
<br>
Look we all want clean clear streets. In my opinion fining the bajesus out of
those who cannot do it is not the right solution. So let's quite the belittling
and come to a solution, if this current one is not working for you.<br>
<br>
Maybe juveniles on probation is a good start.<br>
<br>
Or you can donate your time to help clean some these sidewalks. Talk to Kit
Craine for info. She got me started on it.<br>
<br>
Matt</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>
To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:01:38 -0800<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors<br>
<br>
Ok, so there is State-wide example precedent for this type of thing. I
like the sound of your example, Janesta. Wonder if ANYone in the City is
willing to comment or even DO something positive to resolve the issue......<br>
<br>
Matt - whatever. <br>
<br>
When you own property, being out of town or being at work still means its up to
you, the property owner responsible party, to make sure things get done.
I suppose if someone working on your property slips and breaks an arm while
you're gone due to your not making a needed repair, your "not responsible
as I was at work or out of town" defense would work? Nope. <br>
<br>
There are a lot of "out-of-town" owners with property in Moscow -
they hire property managers who are supposed to - ahem - "manage" the
property and make sure things get done. <br>
<br>
J :]</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:56:57 -0800<br>
From: janesta@gmail.com<br>
To: mattd2107@hotmail.com<br>
CC: vision2020@moscow.com; privatejf32@hotmail.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Contractors</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">In
Couer d' Alene, if the walks aren't cleared by 9:00 am, and kept clear, the
city will do it, and fine the property owner $100.00. If the fine isn't paid,
it is attached as a lien on their property.</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Put
the kids on probation to work. It is a tangible way to know they have completed
the job. If the snow hasn't been removed, the job isn't done.</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">I
respectfully disagree with you, Matt. The buck stops with the owner of the
property. Why should I get injured due to the neglance of a property owner?
Taking care of the sidewalks is part of the responsibility of being a property
owner.</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Also,
Matt, I appreciate your gracious offer to shovel my walks last week...
*smile* I don't have any sidewalks, other than a short three foot walk to the
gravel alley.</span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Janesta<br>
<br>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span class="EC_ecececgmailquote"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">On 1/28/08, <b>Matt Decker</b> <<a href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com">mattd2107@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">I think going down this road can lead to a
whole new can of worms. If we start doing contractor work for snow, then whats
next? <br>
<br>
Maybe I can start billing the city for plowing my street. <br>
<br>
I believe if the people in town need help with the sidewalks, just ask. Many
out there will help. No need to fine people who in most cases can't do it or
are out of town.<br>
<br>
2 cents<br>
<span class="EC_ecececsg">Matt</span></span></p>
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal"><span class="EC_ecececad"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a></span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"><br>
<span class="EC_ecececad">To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></span><br>
<span class="EC_ecececad">Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:39:08 -0800</span><br>
<span class="EC_ecececad">Subject: [Vision2020] Contractors</span> </span></p>
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<br>
<span class="EC_ececece">I know this won't solve the issue today, but has the City
or County ever thought about having contractors on retainer, so that if a
problem area sidewalk owner/responsible party refuses to or is slow to clean it
off, the contractor is brought in to do the cleaning off and then the
owner/responsible party is fined for the work done? If there isn't
anything like that now on the books, is there a possibility to consider it in
the future, like for next year?</span><br>
<br>
<span class="EC_ececece">Comments????</span><br>
<br>
<span class="EC_ececece">J :]</span></span></p>
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