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<div>Given that the economic externalities of the future costs of CO2 emissions induced climate change associated with the development of and profits from shopping malls should be an issue in the decisions regarding the Hawkins proposed development, how might these externalities be addressed? A percentage of revenue generated at the mall could be applied to the purchase of wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, or wave energy, etc., advancing the inevitable transition away from CO2 emitting finite fossil fueled energy sources. This idea probably will go over like a lead balloon...
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<div>And given the aquifer supply doubts on the Palouse, this variable alone could indicate hesitation to support development that is water intensive, though if the mall employed the water capture and conservation strategies employed in Spokane's Saranac building, this objection might be weakened.
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<div>I am a "conservative" on resource and energy issues, meaning when resources are finite or in doubt, we do not proceed with increased use of these resources for short term gain, potentially jeopardizing future generations via depletion of these resources, or damaging the environment in the long term; this conservative approach applies both to the depletion of irreplaceable fossil fuels, a great treasure, and the resulting destructive climate change, and to the potential depletion of local aquifers.
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<div>The Earth, Nature, our environment, has limits, and we should now adjust to these limits before it is too late, don't you think? Our local impacts are global impacts, given that our CO2 emissions enter the global atmosphere, as the climate is altered via well established principles of physics regarding CO2 absorbing infrared heat energy from the sun, an atmosphere that will not bend to our laws or economies or religions or governments or consumer lifestyle, nor stop its objective behavior as a phenomenon of Nature, based on whether the human race lives or dies.
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<div>Ted Moffett</div>
<div> <br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><span class="gmail_quote">From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Ted Moffett</b> <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Jan 13, 2008 5:58 PM
<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?<br>To: "mark r. seman" <<a href="mailto:baukunst@moscow.com">baukunst@moscow.com</a>><br>Cc: Vision2020 <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br><br> </span></div>
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<div>Mark et. al.</div>
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<div>It is astonishing to perceive how the very serious energy and environmental crises we are facing somehow get dismissed or down played in the economic arguments for local development. We are living in a world where our local actions are having profound impacts on economies and the environment, nationally and internationally. No longer can we responsibly view our behavior just through the lens of a local cost/benefit analysis.
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<div>Oil depletion, peak oil, etc. alone is a national security issue, given our nations economic dependence on 20 million barrels of oil a day, </div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/quickfacts/quickoil.html" target="_blank">http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/quickfacts/quickoil.html</a></div>
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<div>oil that recently hit 100 dollars a barrel (I posted this news to Vision2020, and astonishingly this generated not a single response). Yet we continue to proceed with business as usual as though a development model based primarily on a fossil fuel powered economy is not soon to be a "dinosaur." Do we have an energy and transportation infrastructure in place to address this? No. Should this be a priority now for every community in the USA? Of course.
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<div>Add to this the approximately 20 tons of CO2e per capita (yes, for every women, man and child) that the USA economy dumps into our atmosphere annually, </div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/" target="_blank">http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/</a></div>
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<div>the most by far per capita of any nation, and the USA earns the shocking and shameful status of the greatest contributor to what is very likely a massive planetary environmental disaster in anthropogenic climate change, recognized by the Pentagon as a serious national security risk (if the Pentagon is worried, this means business, because I do not think the Pentagon is populated by wild eyed environmentalist socialist tree huggers, to use a derogatory composite stereotype lobbed at those warning of the dangers of human sourced climate change):
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html" target="_blank">http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html
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<div>'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'
<p>The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.
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<p>Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'
<p>Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored. </p>
<p>'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.
<p>'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.
<p>Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.
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<p>We are not paying for the economic externalities of our CO2 emissions, which will cost the economy in the future billions of dollars, due to damages from climate change. So we can have our fossil fueled wealth now, and leave the damage to future generations? Is this an ethical approach?
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<p><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/ucs_northeast/" target="_blank">http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/ucs_northeast/
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<p><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6096084.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6096084.stm</a></p>
<p>A report by economist Sir Nicholas Stern suggests that global warming could shrink the global economy by 20%.
<p>But taking action now would cost just 1% of global gross domestic product, the 700-page study says. </p>
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<p>Given these daunting realities, if we are going to promote development, the issues of reduction in fossil fuel dependence and CO2 emissions, developing a clean energy, energy conservation and alternative powered transportation infrastructure, should be top priorities, as national security issues.
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<p>Is there a way to have a new mall operate in the Pullman/Moscow corridor that can substantially address these concerns? Perhaps, though limiting the CO2 emissions associated with the extra distance shoppers will drive from Moscow to the mall and back is a far more difficult problem to solve (plug in electric gas or diesel hybrids partially powered by clean electric sources) than building a "Green" mall incorporating alternative energy and resource and energy conservation strategies. Building a mall on the far edge of a city that will encourage driving miles from the city for some residents to shop is inherently an inefficient proposal.
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<p>It could be argued that those who commute on the corridor daily might use less fossil fuel to shop, due to stopping at the mall on their daily commute, rather than making a longer shopping trip to other outlets. Of course, the massive fossil fuel use and CO2 emissions associated with the commuter lifestyle demands mitigation of these impacts.
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<p>As has been pointed out, some shoppers who drive to Lewiston or Spokane might instead shop more locally if they could find the products locally that draw them to Lewiston or Spokane. However, I think some shoppers go to Lewiston or Spokane to "escape" from the local area, and shopping is just an added attraction, not the primary motivation.
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<p>Mark's suggestions address some of these issues, yet I have not heard, except perhaps from councilman Tom Lamar, comments from the Moscow City Council indicating they are prioritizing the national security issues of fossil fuel dependence/depletion, anthropogenic climate change, and the inevitable and critical necessity of the rapid development of clean energy technologies, energy conservation strategies, and alternative energy transportation infrastructure.
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<p>Information on the most environmentally advanced large city building in the Inland Empire:</p><span class="q">
<p><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.landscouncil.org/news/welcome_to_saranac.asp" target="_blank">http://www.landscouncil.org/news/welcome_to_saranac.asp</a></p></span>
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<p>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</p>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/13/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">mark r. seman</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:baukunst@moscow.com" target="_blank">baukunst@moscow.com
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>very few current businesses are positioned to sustainably operate within the triple bottom-line model of people/planet/profits [<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://getsustainable.net/" target="_blank">
http://getsustainable.net/</a>]. although new and existing businesses can be encouraged or incentivized to do so if the citizens of their resident communities perceive a value in doing so. the communities (town, county, and state entities) of the palouse seem well positioned to do so with the Hawkins development. but it requires that
<u>all</u> parties at least agree to work towards implementing programs to achieve sustainable business (& development) practices. negotiations will then determine how far programs will be taken. there are so many elements that could be identified to take positive steps and time should be allocated to identify and deliberate them. why shouldn't the corridor be developed with enough vision to make it an "oasis" that positively addresses economic development, the environment, transportation, waste streams, energy, natural resources, construction materials & methods, inter-state/multi-county/trans-municipal collaboration, etc?
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>sidebar on achievable water conservation measures:</span></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>waterless urinals & dual flush toilets, IR controlled lowflow faucets, stormwater detention for irrigation use, rainwater harvesting for irrigation & toilet use, recyling greywater for toilet use, xeriscape plantings, education programs for facility users and maintenance staff.
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span>mark</span></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com
</a>[mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>keely emerinemix<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:20 AM
<br><b>To:</b> Donovan Arnold; Bill London; v2020<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?<br><br></font></div>I'm astonished at the equation of a locally-owned (and owned by its customers) food co-op that lives out its mission of sustainable, healthy, locally-produced and fairly traded products -- one that "recycled" a vacant building and improved it while still making it accessible to its community by locating downtown -- with a huge shopping mall.
<br><br>I don't think there's enough caffeine in the world to have that one make sense . . . <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:36:39 -0800<br>From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:london@moscow.com" target="_blank">
london@moscow.com</a>; <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Will Moscow support Hawkins sprawl-mall?
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<div>Mr, London makes the following arguments against a new shopping center on the edge of town:</div>
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<div>"If the <span style="BACKGROUND: 0% 50%; BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(0,102,204) 1px dashed">Moscow</span> council ships utilities across the state line to enable this strip mall, <span style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(0,102,204) 1px dashed">
Moscow</span> will face a series of problems, including:</div>
<div>--depletion of the aquifer that supplies this town with most of its water</div>
<div>--massive sprawl that will further uglify the Palouse and ravage existing downtown vitality</div>
<div>--bankruptcy of <span style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(0,102,204) 1px dashed">Moscow</span> businesses unable to compete with this new shopping mall </div>
<div>--continuing future upgrades of <span style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(0,102,204) 1px dashed">Moscow</span> infrastructure to cover the demands made by this extension of services, upgrades that will be paid for by <span style="BORDER-BOTTOM: rgb(0,102,204) 1px dashed">
Moscow</span> taxpayers</div>
<div>Is this what Moscow residents really want?"</div>
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<div>As I understand it, Mr. London strongly supported the expansion of the Co-Op, not once, but twice to larger buildings that further deplete the town's water aquifers, increased sprawl of other businesses to the outside of town, created more competition with other businesses in the area, and forcing future upgrades of Moscow's infrastructure to be paid for by Moscow taxpayers. So I would argue what is good for goose must also be for the gander.
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<div>"Is this what Moscow wants?" I bet it is. If it isn't, then we will have a vacant building on the edge of town. I willing to venture out on a limb, and say those that putting millions into a building of new shopping center aren't doing it on a guess, but in fact put as much research into it as Mr. London did for the expansions of his Co-Op grocery store.
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<div>I think it would be a significant advantage to have a mall on the western edge of Moscow accepts and competes with the big chain only stores in the Palouse Empire Mall that prohibits local businesses from leasing there. I also think it would allow other chains in Spokane to locate here, and provide jobs to local students and residents, increasing wages and competition for quality laborers rather than providing them to people in Spokane.
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div><br><br><b><i>Bill London <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:london@moscow.com" target="_blank">london@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</div>
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<div>Won't it be grand? The Moscow-Pullman Highway turned into one long strip mall.....</div>
<div>And you can read in today's Lewiston Tribune (below) that the first big step in that direction will likely soon be taken. The new Moscow City Council is under pressure to sell use of Moscow utilities (like sewage and water, and possibly police/fire protection) to the planned Hawkins shopping center located in Washington state on the Moscow-Pullman Highway. The new council members (pragmatic politicians that they are) seem to be willing to ignore the real issues and fall for a cheap payoff.
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<div>If the Moscow council ships utilities across the state line to enable this strip mall, Moscow will face a series of problems, including:</div>
<div>--depletion of the aquifer that supplies this town with most of its water</div>
<div>--massive sprawl that will further uglify the Palouse and ravage existing downtown vitality</div>
<div>--bankruptcy of Moscow businesses unable to compete with this new shopping mall </div>
<div>--continuing future upgrades of Moscow infrastructure to cover the demands made by this extension of services, upgrades that will be paid for by Moscow taxpayers</div>
<div>Is this what Moscow residents really want?</div>
<div>BL</div>
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<div>LEWISTON TRIBUNE</div>
<div>Council shift changes outlook for proposed Hawkins development</div>
<div>By David Johnson </div>
<div>Saturday, January 12, 2008</div>
<div><br>MOSCOW - Politics here may have shifted enough after the November election to trigger talks about the city providing water and sewer services across the state line for the proposed Hawkins Co. shopping center.</div>
<div>A majority of Moscow city councilors, Whitman County commissioners and a spokesman for Hawkins told the Lewiston Tribune there's renewed potential for cooperation.</div>
<div>This despite Moscow's continued legal challenge of Hawkins' attempts to secure water rights to drill its own wells for the 700,000-square-foot shopping mall.</div>
<div>The situation comes as the first of two public comment meetings has been scheduled in Colfax on Monday. The county commissioners will take comments, beginning at 1:30 p.m., regarding Hawkins' recent request for Whitman County to float revenue bonds of more than $10 million to help fund infrastructure (including water and sewer) for the development.
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<div>A Whitman County pro-business citizens group, meanwhile, Friday endorsed the proposed bond issue and called on Moscow officials to drop their water rights appeal against Hawkins.</div>
<div>"It's clear Moscow's appeals are not about water but about keeping out particular kinds of businesses," April Coggins, spokeswoman for Businesses and Residents for Economic Opportunity wrote in a news release. "That attitude was rejected by Moscow voters in November and it is our hope that the new Moscow city council will see things differently and seek to cooperate with their neighbors."
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<div>Moscow's waterlines extend right up to the Hawkins property, and the sewage treatment plant is located nearby.</div>
<div>"Hawkins is always open to talking to the city of Moscow," said Jeff De Voe, project manager for the proposed shopping center. He declined further comment because of the pending legal appeal.</div>
<div>It remains unclear how much money Moscow might make (through fees) or Hawkins might save if the two entities can reach an agreement about water and sewer services. But City Attorney Randy Fife and Public Works Director Les McDonald confirmed that a hookup of services is both legal and technically possible.
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<div>Whitman County Commissioners Jerry Finch and Greg Partch, who continue to champion the Hawkins project as the beginning of retail development between here and Pullman, said it's time for Moscow to either join ranks or get out of the way.
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<div>"Moscow didn't say no, they said hell no," Finch said about the city's refusal to cooperate with development of the mall. "Before the election, it's pretty obvious the door had been slammed."
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<div>Three new Moscow councilors were elected in November and appear to have become part of a five-member, pro-business majority. The three, Walter Steed, Dan Carscallen and Wayne Krauss, along with council President Bill Lambert, all said they are willing to talk with Hawkins and Whitman County officials about water and sewer services. Councilor John Weber couldn't be reached for comment, but indicated in the past he favors cooperation.
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<div>Only Councilor Tom Lamar, who has gone on record opposing retail development in the corridor, balked at renewed talks. "I think the best way for Hawkins to tap into our sewer and water is to locate in Moscow," Lamar said.
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<div>Moscow Mayor Nancy Chaney, who's been accused of spearheading efforts to thwart the Hawkins project, said her intentions are rooted in environmental and groundwater concerns. That was confirmed by McDonald. "The mayor's driving concern," he said, "is the water resource that the whole region relies upon.
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<div>"Moscow has always been open to talking," said Chaney, adding that the table for such discussion has already been set through the water rights appeal. She said the city has proposed mediation as a means of settling the issue.
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<div>But Partch said talks, if they happen, shouldn't happen in a legal arena. Withdrawal of the appeal, he said, would be the best way for Moscow to show good faith. "That would be a huge gesture on their part," he said, "and we would certainly like to work with them."
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<div>The water rights appeal hearings are scheduled to begin in March.</div>
<div>"You can't build without water," Finch said, adding that many people think Chaney is simply using the water issue as the only legal lever available to stop retail development in the corridor. "She's the one who seems to be dead set against it."
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<div>A shopping center, said Finch and Partch, is not necessarily a big water consumer. But it would surely be a big revenue producer for the county.</div>
<div>According to county records, the undeveloped Hawkins acreage, which abuts the Moscow city limits and the Washington-Idaho state line, currently generates about $1,400 in annual tax revenue. If the mall is developed to full capacity, it could produce nearly $1.8 million in annual property and sales taxes for the county, De Voe told the commissioners when making his pitch for the $10 million in infrastructure bonds.
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<div>While Moscow couldn't directly tap into those tax dollars, councilors here said the city might be able to negotiate a fee for water and sewer services that translates into a profit.</div>
<div>"If it's going to happen and we can sell them something," Lambert said, "why not?"</div>
<div>"I'm very anxious to get together with entities across the border," said Krauss.</div>
<div>"I would be interested in talking about the possibility of extending services to Hawkins," Steed said.</div>
<div>"I think that I would," Carscallen said about talking. Whether Hawkins connects to Moscow or drills its own wells, he said, doesn't seem to make a lot of difference. "They're going to get it out of the same tub we're getting ours."
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<div>Researchers have said the underground aquifers on the Palouse have been steadily dropping. But, lacking data about just how much water is available, the same scientists have said a water management challenge is at hand, not a crisis.
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<div>Finch suggested its up to Moscow officials, since they've filed the appeal against Hawkins, to propose new talks. "If they send us a letter, I would find it more receptive," he said.</div>
<div>But Lambert said the catalyst for talks might have to come from elsewhere. "I don't see why it would hurt for these people to approach us. Somebody has to generate it, but it wouldn't be something generated by the council, per se."
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<div>Moscow City Supervisor Gary Riedner said the city might reach out. "I will do what we can to facilitate it at the mayor's direction."</div>
<div>"I know lots of people are talking about talking," Fife said.</div>
<div>De Voe, meanwhile, told Whitman County officials that his company wants to begin construction this summer. As proposed, the shopping complex would be anchored by a Lowe's home improvement center.</div>
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