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Finally, Gary. Something we have in common -- neither of us are Bible scholars. But since that's not enough for a meaningful friendship, I'll answer the rest of your post. Your analogy of the thief breaking into my home is entirely inconsistent. <br><br>First, though, a note here on respecting sovereign borders -- this is one of the most ironic points in the argument against illegal immigrants. A review of history would offer evidence that much of what we call Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona were largely part of Mexico until U.S. interests -- would "hegemony" be too kind? "Invasion"? -- scooped up the northern states. Arguments of the U.S.A.'s sovereign nation status ring a little hollow, too, considering the enormous land grab from indigenous people that we call Colonial America and the Western Expansion.<br><br>Undocumented workers who cross over looking for, and finding, paid work
are not stealing from you, nor have they "entered your home" to do so. While it's true that some of your tax money does pay for health care for people who have immigrated illegally (their children, usually -- adults have to keep working through illness), your tax burden is also reduced by the amount of taxes immigrants pay when they buy things to feed, clothe, and secure their families here. Immigrants pay more and buy more than they receive from social services. The notion that all illegal immigrants can and should be rounded up and deported is as absurd as it is cruel, and you'll notice that just about the only voices calling out for such an idea are people who have no contact, really, with anyone whose status is illegal. Landlords, employers, and businesses recognize that the overall economic good brought about by 12 million workers and consumers, the majority of whom are decent people trying to support their families and themselves, more than argues for the devastation to business when an entire population is shuttled out overnight. They've not "broken into your home," Gary, as much as they've moved in next to you. If they make it, they make it -- but you're not suffering from their being there, although some of our more racist, nativist readers might, just because they couldn't get in on the anti-immigrant sentiment of the early 20th century, I suppose.<br><br>That said, my comments about the Gospel stand. I understand some of the opposition to illegal immigration, but the argument has become much less against immigration than it is against immigrants. And for religious people to settle on that without an examination of issues or conscience is deplorable.<br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>To: kjajmix1@msn.com; privatejf32@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff<br>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:57:29 -0800<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial">It seems to me that your notion of the Gospel with regard
to illegal aliens is flawed. Do you believe that should a thief break into your
home it's your obligation to give him a hot meal and pay to have the hand he cut
breaking your window stitched up? Maybe some dental care for him and his family
while he's there? Heck as long as he's sitting on your sofa why not arrange for
a little in state tuition at the local diploma mill and offer to pay
expenses not covered by grants. By my reckoning it's not Christian charity if my
compassion is forcibly extracted at the point of a gun, be it in the form
of increased taxes by the government or an actual felon with a firearm. Charity
should be an individual thing from the heart. Also, I'm no biblical scholar but
I'm fairly sure that the Bible does not preclude a sovereign country having
secure borders.</font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="privatejf32@hotmail.com" href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">J Ford</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
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<div><br></div>My point wasn't that doctrine has a place in a presidential
campaign, but that I thought it was sad that so many conservative evangelical
Christians find confirmation and comfort in their faith by being pissed off at
undocumented immigrants. <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Date: Thu,
3 Jan 2008 19:03:14 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus
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I have to ask - why would any of the Gospel be part of a candidate's
priority? I mean, if we get in a fundamentalist such as Doug - that
just sets me teeth on edge. <br><br>No matter what candidate wins in
the end, it should be the benefit of the entire country, no matter a
person's income, that is priority. We should be concentrating on
getting our country up and running again, getting OUR kids fed, OUR people's
medical needs met, OUR country's goods sold, etc. The more money and
efforts we expend on the rest of the world just seems to be going down the
drain and the only return we are seeing is OUR people constantly being
targeted for killing, maiming, destruction of all sorts and measures.
<br><br>Our country must get back to protecting what's ours and then we can
offer help to those in other parts of the world with what's
left.<br><br>Sorry for the hard-nose approach, but really, after fighting
and seeing my friends die for OUR country only to see the
Administration/Powers-that-be give it all way, is getting old and needs to
stop if we are to survive this century in one piece. <br><br>J
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From: kjajmix1@msn.com<br>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Date: Thu, 3 Jan
2008 18:04:45 -0800<br>Subject: [Vision2020] Iowa caucus stuff<br><br>
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CNN projects Mike Huckabee as the GOP caucus winner in Iowa, followed by
Romney, then Thompson. On the Democratic side, Edwards, Obama and
Clinton are fairly evenly matched and only Bill Richardson has made any
statistically notable waves among the second-tier candidates.<br><br>I've
been for Edwards since he announced, and while I would be happy with
any of the Democrats (except for Kucinich and Gravel), I would be ecstatic
if we had an Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Richardson, or an Obama/???, ticket
in 2008. And two great things happen on January 20, 2009 -- my son
turns 20 (he was born on the final day of the Reagan administration) and
the days of the Bush presidency are no more. <br><br>On a final
note, I'm dismayed that several commentators have noted that the GOP
voters who identify as evangelicals consider illegal immigration their top
issue. It would be wonderful if their top concern was justice and
opportunity for the poor, but I'm guessing that the gospel of Glenn Beck,
Lou Dobbs, Laura Ingraham and Pat Buchanan has trumped the Gospel of that
other guy . . . <br><br>Keely<br><br><br><br>
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