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Lord knows I have my disagreements with Donovan, but I'm guessing here he's talking about such items as adult diapers for people whose medical conditions, combined perhaps with age, make them necessary; I'm guessing that Medicaid/medicare may limit the number of such things one might get, and I think we can all guess that they're not reusable. I don't second-guess him for being concerned about this.<br><br>As for his question, I think it's easier for people to agree that steroids in baseball are bad than it is to do anything about such issues as health care. <br><br>Sunil<br><br><blockquote><hr>From: idahotom@hotmail.com<br>To: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com; godshatter@yahoo.com; thansen@moscow.com<br>Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:14:54 -0800<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Buried Story of the Steroid Scandal (Bob Schieffer)<br><br>
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Arnold stated:<br>
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"I am frankly, more concerned about how many undergarment protectors a person on medicare or medicaid gets than what a person freely chooses to inject in is or her body."<br>
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So, Arnold is more concerned about undergarment purchases made by Medicare recipients than he is about high school children becoming addicted to a life-threatening drug like anabolic steroids?<br>
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>From the American Medical Association at:<br>
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<a href="http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13589.html" target="_blank">http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13589.html</a><br>
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"Illicit anabolic steroid use is on the rise in adolescents, and effective interventions are needed."<br>
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Or from the National Institute on Drug Abuse at:<br>
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<font color="#0068cf"><a href="http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids5.html" target="_blank">http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids5.html</a></font><br>
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"An undetermined percentage of steroid abusers may become addicted to the drugs, as evidenced by their continued abuse despite physical problems and negative effects on social relations. Also, steroid abusers typically spend large amounts of time and money obtaining the drugs, which is another indication that they may be addicted."<br>
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However, Arnold, feel free to pursue your research in undergarments.<br>
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Tom Hansen<br>
Moscow, Idaho<br><br><br><br><br>
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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:27:11 -0800<br>From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>To: godshatter@yahoo.com; thansen@moscow.com<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Buried Story of the Steroid Scandal (Bob Schieffer)<br><br>
<div>I don't understand this. I really don't. Why is steroid use on the national spot light? Why does it outrank in importance of so many problems this country has? I would think the 90 million people in this country without proper health insurance, the majority being children, would be a higher priority then steroid use. I can think of at least 12 other things that are more important then what athletes choose to do to their body. I am sorry, but I am outraged this issue takes money, time, and resources of our government over that of so many other pressing issues. I am frankly, more concerned about how many undergarment protectors a person on medicare or medicaid gets than what a person freely chooses to inject in is or her body.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Donovan</div>
<div><br><br><b><i>Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com></i></b> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="EC_EC_replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Prosecuting physicians and steroid makers for providing high school and <br>college athletes with steroids, while being a good idea, only treats the <br>symptoms. The real problem, in my opinion, is that these athletes are <br>venerated in our society to outrageous levels far beyond their real <br>worth as human beings (at least in most cases - I'm sure there are real <br>heroes wearing jerseys out there). Take most of the money away, take <br>the unreasonable fame away, leave the game to those who truly wish to <br>devote their lives to it just for the sake of the game. That would help <br>things more than just tightening the screws on steroid use. It would <br>probably be more fun to watch, too.<br><br>It doesn't matter anyway. It isn't going to happen. Which means that <br>once the steroid problem is "solved", the sports conglomerates will run <br>smack into whatever the next problem is caused by someone trying to <br>emulate some wacko sports celebrity who is economically motivated to <br>screw the system. <br><br>Paul<br><br>Tom Hansen wrote:<br>> Reread the last few lines, Mr. Rumelhart.<br>><br>> "Who do we blame for that? Where are they getting it? How can their parents<br>> and even coaches NOT know? <br>><br>> That's where the follow-up stories should begin."<br>><br>> Those are the important questions that MUST be answered.<br>><br>> For the past several years high school and college athletes have been under<br>> the impression that it is OK to "cheat the system", that the benefits in<br>> doing so come in multi-million dollar contracts.<br>><br>> BALCO, along with the physicians that illegally provide steroids to<br>> athletes, should be criminally charged, and the athletes who knowingly use<br>> illegal performance-enhancing drugs dismissed from professional sports.<br>><br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>><br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college<br>> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>><br>> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Paul Rumelhart [mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com] <br>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:35 AM<br>> To: Tom Hansen<br>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Buried Story of the Steroid Scandal (Bob<br>> Schieffer)<br>><br>> I think we have this backwards. We shouldn't try to clean up our ball <br>> players so that our kids can emulate them without problems, we should <br>> teach our kids not to hero-worship someone simply because they play a <br>> particular sport.<br>><br>> Oh, and if we could dismantle the multi-billion dollar sports industry <br>> and carve it back down to a group of die-hards that don't care about the <br>> money or the lifestyle or the perks because they just want to play the <br>> game itself, that would be great. No million dollar contracts, you just <br>> get a salary that is on par with what a fireman or a policeman gets. <br>><br>> As a replacement, we could always put billions into televising our fire <br>> and police services (for example), so that kids could hero-worship <br>> someone who risked their life to save someone else instead of someone <br>> who hits a little ball with a stick, no matter how well.<br>><br>> I'd also like a pony.<br>><br>> Paul<br>><br>> Tom Hansen wrote:<br>> <br>>> >From Bob Schieffer's closing commentary on today's (December 16, 2007)<br>>> edition of "Face the Nation" -<br>>><br>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>> The Buried Story of the Steroid Scandal<br>>> By Bob Schieffer<br>>><br>>> When I was a kid, all I wanted to be was a ballplayer. <br>>><br>>> We didn't have coaches back then until we got to high school. We learned<br>>> <br>> the<br>> <br>>> game from each other and from copying the major leaguers. We copied<br>>> everything from their swings to the way they walked. <br>>><br>>> Because they chewed tobacco, I chewed. It was part of the game. <br>>><br>>> My dream to be a ballplayer ended but it left me with a heavy addiction to<br>>> nicotine. <br>>><br>>> Years ago, I finally beat it, but it was probably the reason I have a<br>>> disease called ulcerative colitis, and almost certainly the cause for my<br>>> bladder cancer decades later. <br>>><br>>> I still take drugs to control the colitis. Surgery got the cancer. <br>>><br>>> But I can only thank the stars there were no steroids in my younger days. <br>>><br>>> My baseball dream ended when I hurt my arm in high school and it finally<br>>> gave out during my first year of college ball. <br>>><br>>> Had I known of a magic potion that would have made me stronger and kept<br>>> <br>> the<br>> <br>>> dream alive, I would have been no more hesitant to try it than I had been<br>>> <br>> to<br>> <br>>> chew tobacco. If my heroes had done it, that was all I needed to know. <br>>><br>>> The baseball stars got their names in the paper last week but we buried<br>>> <br>> the<br>> <br>>> lead to this story. Deep in the report it said hundreds of thousands of<br>>> <br>> kids<br>> <br>>> - kids who have the same dream I had - are putting their lives at risk<br>>> <br>> using<br>> <br>>> this stuff. <br>>><br>>> Who do we blame for that? Where are they getting it? How can their parents<br>>> and even coaches NOT know? <br>>><br>>> That's where the follow-up stories should begin.<br>>><br>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------<br>>><br>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>>><br>>> Tom Hansen<br>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>>><br>>> "If not us, who?<br>>> If not now, when?"<br>>><br>>> - Unknown<br>>><br>>><br>>> =======================================================<br>>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>>> http://www.fsr.net <br>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>> =======================================================<br>>><br>>> <br>>> <br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> <br><br>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>http://www.fsr.net <br>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>=======================================================<br></blockquote><br>
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